Discussion Christianity and Islam insisting on Satan being an independent evil force and being ultimate enemy of G-d is a Psyop meant to blind you from the truth

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"Satan" simply means accuser in Hebrew. Because Judaism is the original Abrahamic religion its cosmology and theology can be considered the most reliable and preserved in the most original state. Original Judaism clearly states that the being called "Satan" is a subordinate of G-d and is carrying out his agenda by testing humans when it comes to their servitude and subordination towards G-d. It is similar to other ancient religions where G-d that is tempting humans or the deity that is ruling over the lower realms is still part of the overall system and still is a subordinate of higher G-ds.

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Satan, also known as the Devil is an entity in Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin (or falsehood). In Judaism, Satan is seen as an agent subservient to God, typically regarded as a metaphor for the yetzer hara, or 'evil inclination'

In Judaism, the concept of Satan is quite different from the one found in many Christian traditions. In Jewish thought, particularly in traditional sources like the Talmud and writings of various Jewish philosophers, Satan is not seen as an independent force of evil in opposition to God, nor as a fallen angel. Rather, Satan is considered a kind of malach (angel or messenger), who is part of God's divine plan and actually serves a purpose within it.

Satan as a Tester or Accuser​

In Hebrew, Satan (שָּׂטָן) literally means "adversary" or "accuser." Satan's role is often depicted as that of a "prosecutor" in the heavenly court. His function is to test individuals' faith and character, presenting challenges and temptations that reveal the true moral and spiritual nature of people. This role is not malicious but purposeful, aiming to encourage personal growth and accountability.

For example, in the Book of Job, Satan appears before God and argues that Job’s righteousness should be tested. In this narrative, Satan operates with God’s permission, and his actions are not rebellious but sanctioned as a means to test Job’s faith. This reflects Satan’s role as an accuser or adversary who fulfills a divine purpose within a moral framework set by God.

Satan as the Yetzer Hara (Evil Inclination)​

Another interpretation within Jewish thought relates Satan to the yetzer hara, or the "evil inclination" within every person. This concept represents the human capacity for selfishness, temptation, and immoral impulses. In this view, Satan doesn’t work externally but is an aspect of internal human psychology that individuals must confront and overcome. The struggle against the yetzer hara is seen as essential to spiritual and moral growth, a test that strengthens character.

No Dualistic Evil Force​

In Judaism, especially within mainstream traditions, the idea of dualism—the belief in two opposing, equally powerful forces of good and evil—is rejected. God is seen as the sole creator of everything, including challenges and difficulties. Isaiah 45:7 expresses this monotheistic perspective: “I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I am the Lord who does all these things.” Thus, Satan is not considered a rival to God but rather an instrument through which God’s justice, mercy, and purpose are expressed.

Therefore it is absolutely glaringly apparent that the whole system is controlled by one supreme being/group of beings who are responsible for the existence of evil and the dualistic nature of this realm. Satan is being used by both christians and muslims as the ultimate scapegoat and a buzzword in a sense as it makes it possible for the preists and ruling class to absolve "G-d"/creator of this realm from all responsibility when it comes to the existence of evil. But in the Hebrew (and Christian) bible G-d admits that he is responsible for the good and evil that exists within his creation.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil; I am the Lord who does all these things.

This perfectly aligns with the gnostic idea of Yaldabaoth who is responsible for creation of both good and evil and ultimately has a full control over his creation. Some Christian call Satan Lucifer but it is a complete moot point as Lucifer simply means light bringer in latin and it is the Christ himself that is being reffered to as lucifer.

et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat ET LUCIFER oriatur in cordibus vestris (2 Peter 1:19 VULGATE)

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and THE DAY STAR arise in your hearts:” (2 Peter 1:19 AV)


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TödesFlug

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What do you think about Zoroastrianism?

Isn't the idea of a good vs evil rather simplistic, or even manmade?
 
Triumph of the soul

Triumph of the soul

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What do you think about Zoroastrianism?

Isn't the idea of a good vs evil rather simplistic, or even manmade?
Zoroastrianism is a fascinating religion in a way it used to be extremely important but it is not in any way whatsoever anymore. Propher Zoroaster is a fascinating historical figure quite similar to Muhammad and Yeshua although existing in realities of ancient Persia. It is interesting to think for example that when Rome was still Hellenic (non Christian), or even when armies of Alexander the great were conquering Persia it was the religion of the Persian masses and elites. Even when Persians tried to conquer Greece and were conquering the whole middle east themselves they have already believed in zoroastrianism.
In my opinion it is a quite simplistic religion meant to control the masses, thus I would consider it to be highly exoteric. You can see many correlations between zoroastrianism and Judaism, Islam and Christianity. I would rather consider it to be a controlling tool of the ancient Persian elites. I wonder though if for example an average ancient persian (or even some persian kings) were to be transported in time to modern times and were to find out that zoroastrianism is virtually extinct would they have a major existential crisis that there is almost no one around to venerate zoroaster and his G-d?
For me ancient Mesopotamian/Babylonia and ancient Egyptian and Canaaenite/Phoenician religions have much more depth and truth to them but I think we can look at zoroastrianism through the lenses of it being a precursor of major monotheistic religions getting extremely popular amongst elites and masses and as a confirmation that monotheism can be a good tool when it comes to empire control (like in the case of Christian roman empire later on).
 
TödesFlug

TödesFlug

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Aug 19, 2024
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Zoroastrianism is a fascinating religion in a way it used to be extremely important but it is not in any way whatsoever anymore. Propher Zoroaster is a fascinating historical figure quite similar to Muhammad and Yeshua although existing in realities of ancient Persia. It is interesting to think for example that when Rome was still Hellenic (non Christian), or even when armies of Alexander the great were conquering Persia it was the religion of the Persian masses and elites. Even when Persians tried to conquer Greece and were conquering the whole middle east themselves they have already believed in zoroastrianism.
In my opinion it is a quite simplistic religion meant to control the masses, thus I would consider it to be highly exoteric. You can see many correlations between zoroastrianism and Judaism, Islam and Christianity. I would rather consider it to be a controlling tool of the ancient Persian elites. I wonder though if for example an average ancient persian (or even some persian kings) were to be transported in time to modern times and were to find out that zoroastrianism is virtually extinct would they have a major existential crisis that there is almost no one around to venerate zoroaster and his G-d?
For me ancient Mesopotamian/Babylonia and ancient Egyptian and Canaaenite/Phoenician religions have much more depth and truth to them but I think we can look at zoroastrianism through the lenses of it being a precursor of major monotheistic religions getting extremely popular amongst elites and masses and as a confirmation that monotheism can be a good tool when it comes to empire control (like in the case of Christian roman empire later on).
Oh, with all the criticism, I didn’t expect you to see it as a religion of the elite.

If I had to think of an alienating elite god, it would be the Abrahamic god.

But what do I know? I’m dumb.

There are some religious aspects I don't like about it:
I already had some suspicions since Zoroastrianism is a revealed religion, and I don’t like that, despite its philo-scientific nature, it is not cyclical like paganism. I hate the concept of the frashokereti; why would evil disappear? And after that, what about free will?
 
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