Discussion Consciousness and solipsism

[Lain]

How often do you find yourself believing in solipsism? I've been having a recurring thought that goes along the lines of, if everything in reality is a manifestation of the sum of my cells, if my cells are in harmony or disharmony, it will manifest itself visibly in the external world. A part of me believes this is delusional but another part of me thinks, if all of my cells are in complete harmony, in good health, reality itself will be positive.

If I hurt my body, it's only natural for very very bad things to occur in my life, since the cells that program and creates the reality I see is damaged and giving out subpar programming instructions. Heaven, or escaping samsara, or the ideal situation, would be complete synchronicity of every cell in my body. How delusional of a thought process do you think this is?

 

[AsgardTheFatcel]

In all due respect, philosophy is cope and I don't have the intellectual capacity to fully grasp it. Look, if you're not getting pussy and you have garbage genetics (i.e: not intelligent enough for STEM), you either cope or rope. There's no other way around it.

 

[Atila]

i think you should do less acid unc

 

[hikikomori]

reality starts from conciousness first and foremost lol, solipsism can be validated in a metaphysical sense because all organic and natural conciousness comes from the source conciousness which radiates fractals of its own self to experience its creation from multiple perspectives at once,

but from a material perspective it doesn’t make sense because you are one single fractal of this conciousness among many each with their own perspective and experiences

it is an indoctrinated lie that the reality is external to the mind when in fact it is the mind that generates reality.

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

I generate my own reality where I am a sub 5 ugly autistic male that suffers everyday for being ugly and autistic despite the fact I can make my life better if I wanted to by altering my reality

 

[Melancholoser]

I think it is reasonable. If I'm not mistaken I've read something similar in the book The Mind Illuminated. Basically, monks had different brain structure and brain activity depending on for how long they meditated, and their brain peculiarities were associated with improved happiness and well-being. I think it may be possible to achieve something like that with a way to rewire your brain through something akin to brain stimulation therapies and ent r a heaven-like state.

About solipsism, it is the logical conclusion I reached. All the things that I collect through the senses are made up perceptions and not objective reality. Even if we can become aware of a supposed objective law like gravity (through throwing ourselves out of a window for example), it is not enough evidence for gravity existing outside my mind, but only that gravity exists for my own perception. Therefore, all scientific "laws" are based first and foremost in the uniformity of perceptions of most human beings, not on objective reality itself.

For that reason, I can't really attest the validity of anything except my own experiences, and even when they appear to be generated from outside (like consuming sugar and becoming more agitated) there's no way to confirm it objectively, it just "appears to be" that way.

 

[daylily]

Solipsism is cool as fuck, though I don't think I'd subscribe to it.

 

[daylily]

In all due respect, philosophy is cope and I don't have the intellectual capacity to fully grasp it. Look, if you're not getting pussy and you have garbage genetics (i.e: not intelligent enough for STEM), you either cope or rope. There's no other way around it.

Why do people equate a coping mechanism to no longer being worth pursuing just because it is one? Does something no longer have any value the moment it's used to overcome periods of hardship? The utility is still there for an individual, irrespective of its 'true value' in the eyes of other people. And what's the alternative? To maximize suffering for the short time we're on this spinning planet?

 

[RageSpike]

I generate my own reality where I am a sub 5 ugly autistic male that suffers everyday for being ugly and autistic despite the fact I can make my life better if I wanted to by altering my reality

If you became God one day, you would overdose on pleasure and experience every possible positive experience within a flash. Wouldn't you then want to suffer a bit to freshen things up?

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

If you became God one day, you would overdose on pleasure and experience every possible positive experience within a flash. Wouldn't you then want to suffer a bit to freshen things up?

First I would make chad and stacy's 1000x worse than my own first and then move onto normie foids and men.

 

[『 』]

If solipsism is real, why doesn't the world conform to your desire?

Aren't your cells just a product of your perception? Isn't your perception a product of your brain?

Then where is the mind? If the mind creates the mind, then isn't that the world?

Would it be more reasonable to remark that your body and sense of self are one with the world?

Or you could look at it inversely and say that the world created your world.

So, in actuality, you are the only one who exists, but you are not limited to this temporal existence.

Then the ultimate mystery is, why are you in this body? Why are you this existence?

It all seemingly originates from nothing, and yet there is everything.

 

[fries]

If solipsism is real, why doesn't the world conform to your desire?

Most people are sadomasochistic and the default male experience overall I would say is one giant cuckold theatre

This forum is in itself proof of that because you have these copes about how normies are the true rotters or how being a jobless outcast loser mogs

The whole point of desire is the experience itself and not converging with the desiree

 

[Sushifart]

I think it is reasonable. If I'm not mistaken I've read something similar in the book The Mind Illuminated. Basically, monks had different brain structure and brain activity depending on for how long they meditated, and their brain peculiarities were associated with improved happiness and well-being. I think it may be possible to achieve something like that with a way to rewire your brain through something akin to brain stimulation therapies and ent r a heaven-like state.

About solipsism, it is the logical conclusion I reached. All the things that I collect through the senses are made up perceptions and not objective reality. Even if we can become aware of a supposed objective law like gravity (through throwing ourselves out of a window for example), it is not enough evidence for gravity existing outside my mind, but only that gravity exists for my own perception. Therefore, all scientific "laws" are based first and foremost in the uniformity of perceptions of most human beings, not on objective reality itself.

For that reason, I can't really attest the validity of anything except my own experiences, and even when they appear to be generated from outside (like consuming sugar and becoming more agitated) there's no way to confirm it objectively, it just "appears to be" that way.

Their brains are like that through meditation, right (I don't mean the yoga mom kind where they think about sex with chad in their minds to lower their cortisol)? I've heard of something similar, but not sure if it was from this book.

Would make sense to me at least since they're meditating to confront themselves, something the average man would be doing if the internet didn't exist and out hunting or some shit (to a lesser degree ofc), due to the silence.

 

[Lain]

This forum is in itself proof of that because you have these copes about how normies are the true rotters or how being a jobless outcast loser mogs

Being jobless doesn't instantly mean loser, the ideal person's life is to have a large amount of money and do what they please. If a NEET managed to have any sizeable amount of money, in the eyes of most of society, they would have "won" just look at kids who inherit their families estate or people who've made it lucky off BTC. They're instantly propelled to high status. Even still, I'd rather be poor and content with my free time to do as I please than to be on another schedule dictated by someone else for most of my life.

If solipsism is real, why doesn't the world conform to your desire?

Aren't your cells just a product of your perception? Isn't your perception a product of your brain?

Then where is the mind? If the mind creates the mind, then isn't that the world?

Would it be more reasonable to remark that your body and sense of self are one with the world?

Or you could look at it inversely and say that the world created your world.

So, in actuality, you are the only one who exists, but you are not limited to this temporal existence.

Then the ultimate mystery is, why are you in this body? Why are you this existence?

It all seemingly originates from nothing, and yet there is everything.

Yeah, I like Buddhist belief systems as well, I don't think of solipsism as a hard fact, just like I don't think of Buddhist beliefs as a hard fact or of any belief system, it's interesting to think about but I just spend a lot of time stuck thinking about metaphysics for whatever reason. Wondering why I exist, why I think anything at all, why I react to specific stimuli the way I do, the way I deal with various situations. I'd say largely reality does conform to a large degree to what I want, even if I'm not always sure what I want. If I think I want to be wealthy, for example, but another part of me can't be bothered to actually go and become wealthy, the part of me that's stronger wins out and my desire on some level wins out. Most of the time I'm not sure what it is that I want consciously outside of basic pleasant experiences and the avoidance of negative experiences, or at the very least the capacity to accept a situation I classify as 'negative' although I know in Buddhism, the goal is to cultivate a true state of equanimity and to go past thoughts like "good" and "bad" but it's still how I go through life.

 

[fries]

Being jobless doesn't instantly mean loser, the ideal person's life is to have a large amount of money and do what they please. If a NEET managed to have any sizeable amount of money, in the eyes of most of society, they would have "won" just look at kids who inherit their families estate or people who've made it lucky off BTC. They're instantly propelled to high status. Even still, I'd rather be poor and content with my free time to do as I please than to be on another schedule dictated by someone else for most of my life.

This is exactly what I mean lol
MGTOW vs. MSTOW basically

 

[Lain]

This is exactly what I mean lol
MGTOW vs. MSTOW basically

I live what I believe most in society would consider a close to ideal life. I have a girlfriend that loves me, I have friends I enjoy talking to, I have ample free time to do whatever I feel like doing with the youthful energy to enjoy it and I have the luxury of not having to worry about money. I bought a flight for a NEET friend of mine to come with me to Nicaragua for a week early next month and in July, I paid for my parents to go on a cruise for a week with me as just examples. I've never heard anyone belittle this lifestyle as being 'loserish' but only want it for themselves. Since I have a near infinite amount of free time, I cook my own meals and stay relatively fit as well, so I don't view it as true rotting, where I quickly decay socially and physically. I think being a NEET has given me the free time to socialize, to exercise, to think of unique methods to earn money that I may not have been able to think of had I been forced to work from a young age.

Even if I lost the girlfriend, the friends and the financial peace of mind I've acquired, I still think as long as I have my free time, I would be happy. Call it cope if you want, I've been homeless before and I still think back fondly of the days where I lived in a tent by a river, spending my time fishing, swimming in a small river, reading books and taking it easy. I'm glad if anything that I managed to be for a while what most would consider the lowest of the low, it made me realize that I can be happy with very simplistic pleasures, sometimes I think that life was even more enjoyable back then, since I wasn't full of so much desire for various things now. Like trips to other countries that I think will make me very happy, when the only thing I needed back then was a fishing rod or a good book.

Normies are only losers if they buy into the societal programming that life will really begin when they're retired. It's always right here, right now.

 

[Lain]

Take the Diogenes pill

 

[Abhorrence]

Take the Diogenes pill

 

[AsgardTheFatcel]

Why do people equate a coping mechanism to no longer being worth pursuing just because it is one? Does something no longer have any value the moment it's used to overcome periods of hardship? The utility is still there for an individual, irrespective of its 'true value' in the eyes of other people. And what's the alternative? To maximize suffering for the short time we're on this spinning planet?

It's not worth pursuing because most people are of average intelligence (including myself), and you're clearly intelligent enough to delve yourself into philosophy related studies. I have a FSIQ of 107 and I simply can't understand philosophy at all, let alone mathematics beyond Algebra I.

 

[daylily]

It's not worth pursuing because most people are of average intelligence (including myself), and you're clearly intelligent enough to delve yourself into philosophy related studies. I have a FSIQ of 107 and I simply can't understand philosophy at all, let alone mathematics beyond Algebra I.

I think you downplay yourself.