Discussion Do you think we can recursively improve our intelligence?

iHateWageslavery

iHateWageslavery

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I think that there are different types of intelligence because if this were not the case, then many geniuses would have a very high degree of proficiency in all fields of science, art, philosophy, et cetera. I know that indeed, many geniuses have made contributions in different fields, but most of them were not as significant as the contributions they made in some specific field of human endeavor. For example, we can consider the mathematician Terence Tao, who acquired his PhD in pure mathematics at the age of 21. Tao has a very high degree of proficiency in math, which is evident by his accomplishments at an early age and his subsequent contributions to greatly complex topics of mathematics, but such contributions have not been seen in other fields of human endeavor. This would mean that indeed, there must be something which we could consider as a brain adapted for something specific.


So we could consider that there is a set of genes that characterize 'the musical brain', 'the philosophical brain', 'the physical/mathematical brain', and so on. I observe that even when these geniuses have superb intelligence, it comes to a point where their progress is not as fast as when they first started learning. What does this imply? Intelligence is not enough because if it were, then they would keep progressing as fast as they did at the start, but given that every field becomes harder and more difficult as it progresses, they all encounter a point where progressing is slow and harder, similar to when someone of average intelligence learns a subject for the first time. One could argue that in this case what is needed is even more specific intelligence, a better and more adapted brain, but here comes the question: to what point does a better brain mean faster progress? We are sure that there must be a limit to how good a brain could become since at the end of the day it is a biologically limited volume of space.


When we reach the highest point of adaptability for the brain, what is left? I argue here that in this case, we are left with our thoughts. I think that the act of thinking by itself is the key to becoming more intelligent. I think that thoughts have a lot of power, and thus consciousness is powerful, but I don't mean this in a metaphysical way because I want to keep this discussion grounded. I suspect there must be a way in which someone could improve the adaptability of their brain by improving how they think. All of this discussion directs us to what is called metacognition, the act of thinking about thinking. A conscious act, but this act by itself requires self-knowledge, self-knowledge to be able to correctly use our cognitive resources more appropriately. To be able to monitor yourself, your sensations, your thoughts, your feelings at every step of a cognitive process.


To end this discussion, I'd like to talk about thoughts. If we analyze it all from a more physical perspective, then thoughts should be just a different collection of neurons that fire together to give rise to them, so this means that different thoughts create different patterns of neural firing. Thus, what if we discovered a way of thinking that made neuron firing more efficient for something specific? Is it even possible? And what's more, it doesn't even have to be thoughts; it could just simply be the perfect routine, the perfect nutrients, a consistent meditation practice, all of these factors that optimize neural firing patterns in order to make you better at whatever you want to be.
 
Pale God

Pale God

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Feb 21, 2023
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I‘m too lazy to think too much about this in detail. I feel like everything is luck dependent, especially the outcomes of what you are trying to achieve.

I guess optimal routines exist in some way or even an optimal diet for your lifestyle but I would become neurotic like bodybuilders trying to optimize everything and the rewards wouldn’t be that amazing most likely since I don’t consume steroids and eating the same foods over and over would get boring.
 
iHateWageslavery

iHateWageslavery

Chronically ill.
May 7, 2024
88
The ability to recursively engage in these routines is genetic
To engage in these routines means that there must be some sort of volitional action, but if what determines how much 'volition' is avaliable is given by genes, so this means that there is not notion of free will. Thus it is useless to even speak about this in the first place. Lol
 
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AsgardTheFatcel

Counterterror!sm independent researcher
Feb 19, 2024
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You can't increase your fluid intelligence artificially.
 
Rebbington

Rebbington

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Aug 12, 2021
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I think that there are different types of intelligence because if this were not the case, then many geniuses would have a very high degree of proficiency in all fields of science, art, philosophy, et cetera. I know that indeed, many geniuses have made contributions in different fields, but most of them were not as significant as the contributions they made in some specific field of human endeavor. For example, we can consider the mathematician Terence Tao, who acquired his PhD in pure mathematics at the age of 21. Tao has a very high degree of proficiency in math, which is evident by his accomplishments at an early age and his subsequent contributions to greatly complex topics of mathematics, but such contributions have not been seen in other fields of human endeavor. This would mean that indeed, there must be something which we could consider as a brain adapted for something specific.


So we could consider that there is a set of genes that characterize 'the musical brain', 'the philosophical brain', 'the physical/mathematical brain', and so on. I observe that even when these geniuses have superb intelligence, it comes to a point where their progress is not as fast as when they first started learning. What does this imply? Intelligence is not enough because if it were, then they would keep progressing as fast as they did at the start, but given that every field becomes harder and more difficult as it progresses, they all encounter a point where progressing is slow and harder, similar to when someone of average intelligence learns a subject for the first time. One could argue that in this case what is needed is even more specific intelligence, a better and more adapted brain, but here comes the question: to what point does a better brain mean faster progress? We are sure that there must be a limit to how good a brain could become since at the end of the day it is a biologically limited volume of space.


When we reach the highest point of adaptability for the brain, what is left? I argue here that in this case, we are left with our thoughts. I think that the act of thinking by itself is the key to becoming more intelligent. I think that thoughts have a lot of power, and thus consciousness is powerful, but I don't mean this in a metaphysical way because I want to keep this discussion grounded. I suspect there must be a way in which someone could improve the adaptability of their brain by improving how they think. All of this discussion directs us to what is called metacognition, the act of thinking about thinking. A conscious act, but this act by itself requires self-knowledge, self-knowledge to be able to correctly use our cognitive resources more appropriately. To be able to monitor yourself, your sensations, your thoughts, your feelings at every step of a cognitive process.


To end this discussion, I'd like to talk about thoughts. If we analyze it all from a more physical perspective, then thoughts should be just a different collection of neurons that fire together to give rise to them, so this means that different thoughts create different patterns of neural firing. Thus, what if we discovered a way of thinking that made neuron firing more efficient for something specific? Is it even possible? And what's more, it doesn't even have to be thoughts; it could just simply be the perfect routine, the perfect nutrients, a consistent meditation practice, all of these factors that optimize neural firing patterns in order to make you better at whatever you want to be.

I can smoke weed out of an apple I think that makes me a genius tbf
 
iHateWageslavery

iHateWageslavery

Chronically ill.
May 7, 2024
88
You can't increase your fluid intelligence artificially.
What is intelligence for you? I'm sure most geniuses, when they are children, are not aware of their own thought processes due to what I would suppose to be their lack of maturity about their own cognitive skills. So, they are only relying on their own raw intelligence. But if they are not thinking per se or making conscious use of their intelligence, then what else would this 'raw intuition' be if not the manifestation of an unconscious way of thinking, which is what I call intuition—the true form of intelligence? But as I mentioned before, as fields progress, they become more complex; thus, they cannot rely fully on it, and that's why developing good metacognitive skills is important for both the average IQ person and the genius.
 
OldAutEP

OldAutEP

NEET
Jul 31, 2023
379
My advice to you, is to choose a definition of intelligence, that makes you don't want to kill yourself.
Definitions that makes you want to kill yourself are bad.
I didn't read your entire post btw. I lightly skimmed the first paragraph....
 
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AsgardTheFatcel

Counterterror!sm independent researcher
Feb 19, 2024
7,252
What is intelligence for you? I'm sure most geniuses, when they are children, are not aware of their own thought processes due to what I would suppose to be their lack of maturity about their own cognitive skills. So, they are only relying on their own raw intelligence. But if they are not thinking per se or making conscious use of their intelligence, then what else would this 'raw intuition' be if not the manifestation of an unconscious way of thinking, which is what I call intuition—the true form of intelligence? But as I mentioned before, as fields progress, they become more complex; thus, they cannot rely fully on it, and that's why developing good metacognitive skills is important for both the average IQ person and the genius.
On the other hand, crystalized intelligence is a thing. This is why everyone can stack up knowledge in their tiny greasy brain matter.
 
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