Discussion Gave my life to Jesus. Told my Muslim mom. Shes acting in a way never before seen

[Riddler]

Some of you know how close we are. She has always been accepting of me

First time in my life she's basically acting like a teenager. I told her I gave my life to Jesus she said she's on the phone and can't talk lol

Hours later no response. I feel like a parent whose kid who just doesn't want to hear the truth lol

(The second coming out jokes write themself)

Idk if she's crying, or what. The on the phone excuse is kinda obvious bogus because I know her. She's always made time for me, whether it's taking time off work or what

This in itself is a miracle lol

 

[Looksmax Refugee]

Surprising. What brought this on? Did you have some sort of spiritual experience?

 

[Lain]

Why did you become a Christian? I'm agonistic myself but I was raised as a Christian, I can't imagine going from Christianity -> Islam (or vice versa). It seems like the differences between the two are relatively minor (trinity vs monotheism, prophets, etc) but in my eyes, fundamentally they have similar prophets and many overlapping beliefs.

 

[Riddler]

Surprising. What brought this on? Did you have some sort of spiritual experience?

Why did you become a Christian? I'm agonistic myself but I was raised as a Christian, I can't imagine going from Christianity -> Islam (or vice versa). It seems like the differences between the two are relatively minor (trinity vs monotheism, prophets, etc) but in my eyes, fundamentally they have similar prophets and many overlapping beliefs.

My entire life i feel culminated in giving my life to Jesus and few days ago

I thought the differences were minor but they really aren't

My mom said to me, the day I gave my life to Jesus that my grandmother has the best shot of making it into paradise of any of us

I did talk to a roommate who was a preacher after, and he said, Jesus doesn't work like this. You don't give your life to him for a chance

It's a world of difference and I realize that now. I think i did hate god because of the Islamic god I was raised in, I assumed the Christian god was the same but couldn't be further from the truth

 

[Deleted member 2837]

Convert to Gnosticism (it is much closer to the truth). Modern christianity is a fake version of gnostic thought spread by the false prophets of Rome (seven hills/horned beast) and Shimon Peter and Saul double agents (who worked for Pharisees until their very ends and are to this day revered by Jews as the "noble ones"). Christ is a logos and "he" (this being is above earthly dualism) is the son of the heavenly "father" M-nad. Christ being an aeon of truth acts as a bridge between ketoma (where material world is) and pleroma (true reality). You can attain Christ consciousness through meditation, gnosis and rejecting the wickedness of this world (Yahu - Y-ldabaoth - S-turn/S-tan's kingdom). Yeshua (although some think it was John the Baptist who was the real Christ and other consider them both to be fake/fabricated individuals) was called the Christ because he has achieved deep gnosis, but he wasnt the sole Christ, he was merely one of many enlightened people who have reached "Christ". If you want to take the redpill and see yourself how deep does the rabbit hole goes then I recommend learning about the arch-ns, D-miurge, original idea of Gnostic Christ and how it was all modified by the roman elites to fit their agenda of ruling the masses. The Cathars of medieval Europe were probably the last true Christians who knew the deeper truth, sadly (as expected unfortunately) they were genocided and utterly eradicated. It is interesting though that the Cathar ideas came to france most probably from the Byzantine empire itself (which was one of the places were gnostic thought was born alongside Egypt). Below is a brief explanation of Cathar belief by Chat GPT

Spoiler: Cathars

Cathar cosmology is a fascinating part of the beliefs held by the Cathars, a Christian dualist movement that emerged in the 11th and 12th centuries, primarily in southern France and northern Italy. Known for their radical interpretation of Christianity, the Cathars rejected the established Church and its sacraments, viewing the material world as inherently evil and adhering to a strict, ascetic lifestyle. Central to their beliefs was a dualistic view of the cosmos, drawing influences from early Christian Gnosticism and Manichaeism.

Here are some key aspects of Cathar cosmology:

1. Radical Dualism: Good vs. Evil​

• Two Opposing Realms: Cathars believed in a dualistic universe, where two powerful, opposing forces of good and evil governed existence. These forces were represented by two divine figures: a benevolent God of light and spirit, and a malevolent, fallen god or "Demiurge" of matter and darkness.
• The Evil Demiurge: According to Cathar thought, the Demiurge, or evil creator, was responsible for the physical world. This figure could be identified with the God of the Old Testament, whom Cathars considered harsh and vengeful. To the Cathars, the physical universe was the Demiurge’s flawed creation, a prison for souls rather than a divine creation to be celebrated.

2. The Nature of the Soul: Divine Spark Trapped in Matter​

• Pre-Existence and Fall: Cathars believed that human souls were originally divine sparks that had fallen from the realm of pure spirit. These souls became trapped in the material world, bound within physical bodies. Life on Earth was seen as a form of spiritual imprisonment, with the soul experiencing suffering, decay, and death as a consequence of being confined in matter.
• Salvation as Escape: Salvation, for the Cathars, meant liberation from the cycle of reincarnation and the material world. Through spiritual purification, the soul could eventually return to the pure, spiritual realm and reunite with the benevolent God. This liberation was the ultimate goal of Cathar spiritual practice.

3. Jesus and Christ: Separate Beings in Cathar Belief​

• Duality of Jesus and Christ: The Cathars held a unique interpretation of Jesus, viewing "Jesus" and "Christ" as separate beings. Jesus was seen as a spiritual teacher who embodied the divine message, but he was not believed to have suffered a true physical incarnation or crucifixion. The Cathars rejected the orthodox belief in Jesus’s physical resurrection.
• Docetic Christology: Many Cathars adopted a "Docetic" view, believing that Jesus only appeared to have a physical body but was actually a spiritual being. They saw his mission as one of delivering knowledge and teaching the path to liberation, rather than physical atonement or sacrifice.

4. Reincarnation and Karma: The Cycle of Purification​

• Reincarnation: The Cathars believed in a form of reincarnation, holding that souls would be reborn multiple times until they were sufficiently purified to escape the material realm. Each reincarnation was seen as a new opportunity to overcome the desires and attachments of the flesh.
• Karma and Spiritual Progress: While the concept of karma was not explicitly articulated in Catharism, there was an implicit belief that the soul’s experiences and choices influenced its journey. By living a life of virtue, humility, and self-denial, a Cathar could advance spiritually and progress toward liberation.

5. Ethical Dualism: Purity and Asceticism​

• The Perfecti: Cathar believers aspired to live an ascetic lifestyle, especially the “Perfecti” (or “Perfects”), who were the fully initiated members of the Cathar community. The Perfecti followed strict ethical standards, abstaining from meat, sexual relations, and material pleasures to avoid reinforcing attachment to the physical world.
• Spiritual Practices: Cathars practiced rituals like the consolamentum, a form of spiritual baptism or laying on of hands that was thought to purify the soul. This was usually administered at the end of life or upon full commitment to the faith, marking the believer’s spiritual readiness to transcend the material realm.

6. Rejection of the Catholic Church: Church of Satan​

• Critique of Catholicism: The Cathars rejected the authority of the Catholic Church, which they saw as corrupt and complicit in the material world’s evils. They viewed the Church’s hierarchy and sacraments as worldly institutions that distracted from true spiritual liberation.
• Church as an Agent of the Demiurge: Some Cathars went so far as to regard the Catholic Church as an instrument of the Demiurge, promoting the materialistic and false aspects of religion. In their view, the Church’s sacraments, such as baptism, Eucharist, and marriage, were meaningless or even detrimental to salvation.

7. End Times and Eschatology​

• Spiritual Return to the Divine: The Cathars believed that in the end, all souls would ultimately be reconciled with the God of light, even if this required countless lifetimes to achieve. The Cathar worldview did not focus on a dramatic apocalypse but rather on the gradual spiritual liberation of all beings.
• An End to Material Existence: Cathars believed that the physical world was not meant to last forever; rather, it would eventually dissolve as souls returned to the spiritual realm. The Cathars did not envision an eternal physical heaven and hell but saw ultimate reality as a purely spiritual existence beyond the material universe.

Influence and Suppression​

The Catholic Church viewed the Cathar beliefs as a dangerous heresy, leading to the Albigensian Crusade (1209–1229) and the establishment of the Inquisition to eradicate the Cathar movement. By the 14th century, the Cathars had been nearly extinguished, although their dualistic worldview continued to influence later mystical and esoteric movements.

In summary, Cathar cosmology is a system that describes a universe divided between light and dark, spirit and matter, with the soul’s journey aimed at escaping the corrupt material realm and returning to the divine. This cosmology embodies radical dualism, an intense focus on inner purity, and a distinctive interpretation of Christ as a spiritual, rather than incarnate, being.

It's a world of difference and I realize that now. I think i did hate god because of the Islamic god I was raised in, I assumed the Christian god was the same but couldn't be further from the truth

"Christian" Church and Muslims worship the exact same being (D-miurge/S-turn) but the true esoteric Christianity (gnosticism) reveres the divine spark and the ultimate source-G-d of the true spiritual reality (M-nad).

 

[Deleted member 2510]

Extra haram

 

[CountSwagula]

Religion is fucking stupid jfl