I took the mbti

Disturbed20

Disturbed20

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Apr 6, 2025
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n9wiff said:
look into socionics and read about the 4 sides of the mind. I use my enfp subconscious on the internet most of the time but in real life im the opposite
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sounds plausible enough. So you confirmed your type by cognitive functions?
 
Disturbed20

Disturbed20

Матвей Викторович Лоптев
Apr 6, 2025
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At first I wanted to be INFJ just because I heard it was the rarest type and I thought it would make me unique (my core desire in enneagram is to be significant since I am a 4-type) then as I matured I looked more into Jung's theory and I believed I was INTP (TiNeSiFe) at first because I have an insecurity around not being seen as logical/intellectual enough. With time and more research I started experimenting with whether I'm INFP (FiNeSiTe) especially because I clearly despise and do not use Fe in my cognitive stack. Then I realized my mistake was deeply misunderstanding Jungian extraversion/introversion and that I basically put my cognitive functions in the wrong order, I am ENFP (NeFiTeSi) and also I had internalized these stereotypes that introverted types are more cool/serious which I wanted to be
 
Sovereign

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将军令
Jan 7, 2025
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Disturbed20 said:
At first I wanted to be INFJ just because I heard it was the rarest type and I thought it would make me unique (my core desire in enneagram is to be significant since I am a 4-type) then as I matured I looked more into Jung's theory and I believed I was INTP (TiNeSiFe) at first because I have an insecurity around not being seen as logical/intellectual enough. With time and more research I started experimenting with whether I'm INFP (FiNeSiTe) especially because I clearly despise and do not use Fe in my cognitive stack. Then I realized my mistake was deeply misunderstanding Jungian extraversion/introversion and that I basically put my cognitive functions in the wrong order, I am ENFP (NeFiTeSi) and also I had internalized these stereotypes that introverted types are more cool/serious which I wanted to be
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I get what you mean by the middle bit.

I have an insecurity around not being seen as logical/intellectual enough.
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Disturbed20

Disturbed20

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Apr 6, 2025
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『 』 said:
Not sure what you mean
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People tend to look for traits like “outgoingness” or behaviors like “sociability” as a shortcut, but these are crude concepts that are easily distorted by situational factors. Extraverts process external stimulation more quickly, therefore, they have a higher need and tolerance for stimulation and tend to be more action-oriented in order to create the stimulation that they desire. Introverts process information through a different, longer pathway in the brain, therefore, they have lower tolerance for external stimulation and tend to be more slow and reflective in order to process information fully before taking action.

  • Energy Level: Are they consistently energetic, proactive, responsive, spontaneous, more and more engaged as the pace picks up (E), OR, are they more measured, passive, easily overwhelmed when a lot is happening, more and more fatigued as the pace picks up (I)?
  • Action-Oriented: Are they consistently involved, moving, influencing, asserting, participating, organizing, altering, etc, without much prompting (E), OR, do they consistently have to be prompted, pressured, or compelled into action, often requiring some time/distance for reflection before acting (I)?
  • Extraneous Factors: Regarding extraverts, is there some psychological issue that is making them more withdrawn than normal? Regarding introverts, is there some stress/pressure that is making them behave more “loudly”, erratically, or impulsively than normal? Anyone can want to withdraw when tired or feel bored when solitary for too long, but what is the natural direction of their flow of mental energy, situational factors aside?
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Disturbed20 said:
At first I wanted to be INFJ just because I heard it was the rarest type and I thought it would make me unique (my core desire in enneagram is to be significant since I am a 4-type) then as I matured I looked more into Jung's theory and I believed I was INTP (TiNeSiFe) at first because I have an insecurity around not being seen as logical/intellectual enough. With time and more research I started experimenting with whether I'm INFP (FiNeSiTe) especially because I clearly despise and do not use Fe in my cognitive stack. Then I realized my mistake was deeply misunderstanding Jungian extraversion/introversion and that I basically put my cognitive functions in the wrong order, I am ENFP (NeFiTeSi) and also I had internalized these stereotypes that introverted types are more cool/serious which I wanted to be
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Autism
 
Sovereign

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将军令
Jan 7, 2025
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Which makes me wonder where I genuinely align on the matter, because evidently I focus a lot on people, but I have trouble understanding others, when I converse with others it has to be centered around if I'm the one talking and making an explanation on something; I found it difficult to converse with others naturally. While I can converse with them I have to bring something up like "I have a question" or finding something to begin in the first place. When I was a child I was very talkative with everyone, but it was not coherent so to speak I would talk with them on the topic and it could flow, but I always got in trouble with the teachers. What's weird was the environment in which I did it in, mostly always this happened in the classroom but outside in the play grounds it wasn't as long or willing.

I usually got either the INTP, INFP primarily. I know one thing for certain the turbulence is true; but if you ask me I'm very emotional whether from the abuse I've endured or from isolation- mixing it all in general. My aunt said that as a kid I was observant and different and should could tell.

@Disturbed20 @n9wiff
 
Sovereign

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@Disturbed20 But in light of that matter, I get what you mean. What you naturally do is more of an indication of a portion of who you are, evidently because its what your doing without thinking about it.

I have a lot a books, but does that indicate I am an intellectual? No, rather what will make clear the point is whether or not I put thinking first or emotion, now due to what was inflicted upon me emotionally obviously MY choices will be colored. My aunts boyfriend told me that when he went to prison they had him take a test as to whether he was more analytical or emotional, he tested for more analytical and recently he's told me that my brain works analytically; however I doubt myself profusely. But there are some indications perhaps whether or not I fit the mold. I constantly search for books on topics, recently of the second & first world wars, the occult, psychological warfare, and education.

But again what matters is how I am using my brain and how I go about my business most of the time. As a youth I was diagnosed with ADHD which I personally think I have its hard for me to organize and stay on task and my active recall is shot, but my long term memory is actually alright.
 
Original

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I took the test and I got “Sexy Cute Irresistible Millionaire Playboy Genius, Built for Sex”. Didn’t know that was a personality type but I’ll take it.
 
Disturbed20

Disturbed20

Матвей Викторович Лоптев
Apr 6, 2025
232
@Sovereign I do find it very believable for you and many NEETs in general to be INTP or INFP, particularly because of Si being a lower function in the stack, creating problems with organizing things and life, especially, being stuck up on the past.. Si is used to recollect memory to provide richly detailed sensory information to call back on.
Both types also have Ne as their auxilary function, which opens them up to use their dominant judging function in a more flexible, less rigid way. People learn to use their auxilary function more as they mature to take the load off their other three functions. Ne inherently could either make you seen as observant or clueless because it's using your intuition to look at what other people might not see, "it was not coherent so to speak I would talk with them on the topic and it could flow, but I always got in trouble with the teachers" it's also an extraverted function so it would betray high energy levels

You extrapolating that you focus on people but have trouble understanding them, to me sounds more like it is inferior Fe rather than dominant Fi. So personally, with the information given, I buy that you are INTP (turbulent, though I don't believe that's so relevant as it was made up by 16personalities) and think it's also worthy of note that not only Fi users are emotional but all types can be. Just like a feeling type can be analytical. Plus your line of thinking seems very much to resemble an internal web of logic that prompts you to question how things truly work rather than accepting external facts at face value to build conclusions upon them, I deduced this mainly based on the second paragraph of your second post:
I have a lot a books, but does that indicate I am an intellectual? No, rather what will make clear the point is whether or not I put thinking first or emotion, now due to what was inflicted upon me emotionally obviously MY choices will be colored. My aunts boyfriend told me that when he went to prison they had him take a test as to whether he was more analytical or emotional, he tested for more analytical and recently he's told me that my brain works analytically; however I doubt myself profusely. But there are some indications perhaps whether or not I fit the mold. I constantly search for books on topics, recently of the second & first world wars, the occult, psychological warfare, and education.
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To me it looks like a beautiful combination of Ti and Si, meticulously building up arguments to truly define what it means to be intellectual and bringing up experiences from the past as clues to analyze
 
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Pale God said:
No idea how you can be a NEET and an extrovert. Do you visit other unemployed people all day or relatives? Or do you wait for them to get of work? Lol
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You can sit alone at home all day and be a cognitive extravert. It just means you get easily excited even when by yourself I know from experience
 
Sovereign

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Jan 7, 2025
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Disturbed20 said:
@Sovereign I do find it very believable for you and many NEETs in general to be INTP or INFP, particularly because of Si being a lower function in the stack, creating problems with organizing things and life, especially, being stuck up on the past.. Si is used to recollect memory to provide richly detailed sensory information to call back on.
Both types also have Ne as their auxilary function, which opens them up to use their dominant judging function in a more flexible, less rigid way. People learn to use their auxilary function more as they mature to take the load off their other three functions. Ne inherently could either make you seen as observant or clueless because it's using your intuition to look at what other people might not see, "it was not coherent so to speak I would talk with them on the topic and it could flow, but I always got in trouble with the teachers" it's also an extraverted function so it would betray high energy levels

You extrapolating that you focus on people but have trouble understanding them, to me sounds more like it is inferior Fe rather than dominant Fi. So personally, with the information given, I buy that you are INTP (turbulent, though I don't believe that's so relevant as it was made up by 16personalities) and think it's also worthy of note that not only Fi users are emotional but all types can be. Just like a feeling type can be analytical. Plus your line of thinking seems very much to resemble an internal web of logic that prompts you to question how things truly work rather than accepting external facts at face value to build conclusions upon them, I deduced this mainly based on the second paragraph of your second post:

To me it looks like a beautiful combination of Ti and Si, meticulously building up arguments to truly define what it means to be intellectual and bringing up experiences from the past as clues to analyze
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Here is more on the subject, my aunt described me as an observant kid, that didn't need to be told but was already doing what I needed to do.

She told my grandmother "this kids different", my aunt mentioned that as a youth I was observant that I payed attention. Let me give you a thought to the matter; my boss works doing yard sales, now here is how he thinks as from his own words "What ever I see, hear, touch and taste I believe", now whenever I talk with him I talk of many abstractions things that have physical being but are of the realm of idea and not of the here and know- not of the senses alone.

Now here is even more to the matter, when I was a teenager I said in mine heart "I will seek after those things which are hidden from me, and whatsoever my eyes cannot find I will seek with my mind", now what did I find on my search? The definition of truth and morality in its most pure form.

What I am trying to say that at a teenager I sought after those things, I was reading Aristotle, Darwin and George Orwell's 1984. Now what does this all mean? Its what I was doing naturally without observation of another, what I chose to do and how to act.
 
Sovereign

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What matters out of all of this, is how one thinks, what does one do naturally in circumstance; how he exist. What does he fill his mind with on a daily basis & how does he spend his time and one what or with whom?


Even more so in a TV show what characters does he pay attention to, the sounds of the background & music all the way to the smallest details- to even the subtle point of the whole show or movie.
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Disturbed20

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Sovereign said:
Here is a music list of songs I like and you tell me what character you get from such a list?
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Wow, that was some music I greatly enjoyed. Well firstly, NP is the classic combo for struggling with school and work, so that's a given I'd say.
As for whether you use FiTe or TiFe, I find it more believable that you use the latter, therefore xNTP, one of the reasons for which is that in your evaluation of yourself you mainly brought up examples of things you did - books you read, songs you listened to. The way you reasoned and what you paid attention to. As opposed to bringing up things you valued. Which is what an xNFP would more likely do, like saying they are a music-lover, book-lover, etcetera. But more importantly I found your Fe to jut out. An Fi user doesn't really care about people to put it harshly. They may care about people's wellbeing as an extension of their morals, but not harmonizing with the world just for the sake of it. As your Fe is a lower function in your cognitive stack, you also have trouble with trying to use it the same way someone with Fe higher in their cognitive stack, like an ENFJ, does, that is, effectively understand people and harmonize with them. But you still do it and it works quite well at times. I also believe your core motivation here as a Ti-user in evaluating yourself is to expand your inner understanding of the world and you in it. Whereas for an Fi-user they'll most likely want to find out what it is that makes them different and unique. If that makes sense
Then I would have also added that you are introverted, but you somewhat made me question if that's really true with this:
Sovereign said:
Basically this, I kid you not, I am the most bland and quiet person outside, the minute I'm alone I have the most fun without having the need of others to make me content.
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However it should be kept in mind introverts also have fun without others. So I'm still leaning toward the side that you're introverted. What that dichotomy determines anyway is the order in which your functions are positioned, so to say the direction of your energy output. I'll basically be going on a tangent about my own mbti type here so bear with me, or don't. For me I realized I was ENFP rather than INFP, when I figured out that for me I needed to make an active effort in order to go within and introspect, and going out, into all sorts of crazy possibilites, shifting my focus and attention from one thing to another, came naturally to me. Whereas an INxP is naturally grounded, and requires the application of effort in order to "go out of their shell". INxPs can notoriously stay in one place for very long periods of time, even years, not changing anything about their routine, or the things they value that they keep around to comfort themselves (sort of the archetypal comfy NEET), as every type is able to "bypass" their auxilary function and jump straight to their tertiary, this is called a 'loop'. When an INFP finds themselves 'looping', they will repeat using their Fi and Si functions, essentially sticking to the things that have comforted them through their life. In order to get out of their loop they need to use Ne to look at new possibilities, seek new things to add color to their life. Whereas when an ENFP is in a 'loop', it entails repetitively using the Ne and Te functions, perpetually grasping at things outside of their immediate comfort zone. Their loop usually ends when they finally explore what they sought, or find the solution they were looking for to a problem they had, but sometimes it's futile so using their auxilary Fi function is necessary to ground them in their beliefs and stop them from going outside their moral compass and such things. Such as for example by meditating but most importantly by connecting with other people on a deeper personal level

I don't know that much about ENTP, so unfortunately I could not at the moment quite go in depth on the difference between it and INTP. But what I'll have to say is I doubt that you are extraverted and therefore I believe it most likely you're INTP, and if that were to end up not being true, I believe it's more likely you're ENTP than INFP.
 
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Disturbed20 said:
Wow, that was some music I greatly enjoyed. Well firstly, NP is the classic combo for struggling with school and work, so that's a given I'd say.
As for whether you use FiTe or TiFe, I find it more believable that you use the latter, therefore xNTP, one of the reasons for which is that in your evaluation of yourself you mainly brought up examples of things you did - books you read, songs you listened to. The way you reasoned and what you paid attention to. As opposed to bringing up things you valued. Which is what an xNFP would more likely do, like saying they are a music-lover, book-lover, etcetera. But more importantly I found your Fe to jut out. An Fi user doesn't really care about people to put it harshly. They may care about people's wellbeing as an extension of their morals, but not harmonizing with the world just for the sake of it. As your Fe is a lower function in your cognitive stack, you also have trouble with trying to use it the same way someone with Fe higher in their cognitive stack, like an ENFJ, does, that is, effectively understand people and harmonize with them. But you still do it and it works quite well at times. I also believe your core motivation here as a Ti-user in evaluating yourself is to expand your inner understanding of the world and you in it. Whereas for an Fi-user they'll most likely want to find out what it is that makes them different and unique. If that makes sense
Then I would have also added that you are introverted, but you somewhat made me question if that's really true with this:

However it should be kept in mind introverts also have fun without others. So I'm still leaning toward the side that you're introverted. What that dichotomy determines anyway is the order in which your functions are positioned, so to say the direction of your energy output. I'll basically be going on a tangent about my own mbti type here so bear with me, or don't. For me I realized I was ENFP rather than INFP, when I figured out that for me I needed to make an active effort in order to go within and introspect, and going out, into all sorts of crazy possibilites, shifting my focus and attention from one thing to another, came naturally to me. Whereas an INxP is naturally grounded, and requires the application of effort in order to "go out of their shell". INxPs can notoriously stay in one place for very long periods of time, even years, not changing anything about their routine, or the things they value that they keep around to comfort themselves (sort of the archetypal comfy NEET), as every type is able to "bypass" their auxilary function and jump straight to their tertiary, this is called a 'loop'. When an INFP finds themselves 'looping', they will repeat using their Fi and Si functions, essentially sticking to the things that have comforted them through their life. In order to get out of their loop they need to use Ne to look at new possibilities, seek new things to add color to their life. Whereas when an ENFP is in a 'loop', it entails repetitively using the Ne and Te functions, perpetually grasping at things outside of their immediate comfort zone. Their loop usually ends when they finally explore what they sought, or find the solution they were looking for to a problem they had, but sometimes it's futile so using their auxilary Fi function is necessary to ground them in their beliefs and stop them from going outside their moral compass and such things. Such as for example by meditating but most importantly by connecting with other people on a deeper personal level

I don't know that much about ENTP, so unfortunately I could not at the moment quite go in depth on the difference between it and INTP. But what I'll have to say is I doubt that you are extraverted and therefore I believe it most likely you're INTP, and if that were to end up not being true, I believe it's more likely you're ENTP than INFP.
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To add to what you mentioned regarding "staying in place", I am very repetitive, in what I do, where I go, and what I talk about. That & I stay in my room for hours upon hours & if I desire say like today If I want chocolate and coffee I will go out and get only those items I wanted and return immediately home- same with food I eat the same things I like over and over again. Overall, I'm very repetitive. Now in respective to being introverted or extroverted, I stay mainly to myself; at a family gathering last year I went to the front porch while everyone else partied and I personally did not want to join in the crowd and it turned around when individual people began to come up to the front porch which I tried to have as interesting a conversation as possible.
 
Sovereign

Sovereign

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Another point, when in conversation, I try to talk of things I know about or can expand on, so for example me and my boss, I'm either completely quiet or I will talk with him- recently we talked about cryptocurrency, our family life's (which we had in common certain problems), that and I ask him a lot of questions, how does this work or what is this? Or sometimes when I want to know something about him that I know that would be awkward to ask casually- I've often asked questions which have led him to telling me about his personal life, like how his wife (who died of cancer) was in the debate society so he learned from her the art of debate which told me that is why in part why he is precise and assertive in his topics & beliefs, because he knows how to beat me in a debate.

But I recognize that if I ask the right questions (liken to a brute force attack) if I ask the right questions I can fish for more information. Recognizing that however I don't do it out of moral reasons.
 
Sovereign

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This man is an ENTP if I ever knew one, pay attention to his mannerism and how he acts and the information he has!
@Disturbed20




 
Sovereign

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@Disturbed20 As a matter of fact, I used to use checkers as a means to test people, what they were like, were they opportunistic if one piece was open, so I admit to doing things like that. That including chess as of recent.
 
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Disturbed20 said:
At first I wanted to be INFJ just because I heard it was the rarest type and I thought it would make me unique (my core desire in enneagram is to be significant since I am a 4-type) then as I matured I looked more into Jung's theory and I believed I was INTP (TiNeSiFe) at first because I have an insecurity around not being seen as logical/intellectual enough. With time and more research I started experimenting with whether I'm INFP (FiNeSiTe) especially because I clearly despise and do not use Fe in my cognitive stack. Then I realized my mistake was deeply misunderstanding Jungian extraversion/introversion and that I basically put my cognitive functions in the wrong order, I am ENFP (NeFiTeSi) and also I had internalized these stereotypes that introverted types are more cool/serious which I wanted to be
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I have a very unstable personality so I doubt I fit one of these
 
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