I've moved up to trolling GOD over trolling Trump!

[Lordgoro]

 

[Saladino]

This ain't reddit, lil bro

 

[aesthetic_recon]

This ain't reddit, lil bro

unironically the quote he posted is a good one. just because all redditors are atheists doesn't mean all atheists are redditors. im writing something on how human freedom and culpability cannot lead to eternal conscious torment in hell (a doctrine most christians believe in), because all the classical theistic claims about the goodness of GOd, about him being the foundation of being as such, necessarily lead to a logical contradiction if you also affirm hell as eternal and not purgatorial. the only person who can meaningfully go to hell for eternity is GOd himself, since you can only be damned for eternity if you yourself are infinite in every possible essential characteristic (moral knowledge, freedom, etc.). we (that is, humanity) can't be held infinitely culpable for finite actions, no matter how evil, since we are not in perfect possession of a libertarian, infinitely free will.

 

[Deleted member 1462]

This ain't reddit, lil bro

Satanic Jihad

“Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!..”. The profound chanting of solidarity echoed through the halls of the underground secret temple, as the 22 masked men strapped bombs around the chests of their white cloth-draped bodies for practice. Their temple leader, Halmid Albiz Allah, who was...

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[Saladino]

unironically the quote he posted is a good one. just because all redditors are atheists doesn't mean all atheists are redditors. im writing something on how human freedom and culpability cannot lead to eternal conscious torment in hell (a doctrine most christians believe in), because all the classical theistic claims about the goodness of GOd, about him being the foundation of being as such, necessarily lead to a logical contradiction if you also affirm hell as eternal and not purgatorial. the only person who can meaningfully go to hell for eternity is GOd himself, since you can only be damned for eternity if you yourself are infinite in every possible essential characteristic (moral knowledge, freedom, etc.). we (that is, humanity) can't be held infinitely culpable for finite actions, no matter how evil, since we are not in perfect possession of a libertarian, infinitely free will.

I'm not a big fan of the dogma of hell either, but if God is perfect, omniscient and creator of the universe, it is solely within his power to say what punishment sins deserve, which are a breach of his law, right?

 

[Saladino]

Satanic Jihad

“Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!..”. The profound chanting of solidarity echoed through the halls of the underground secret temple, as the 22 masked men strapped bombs around the chests of their white cloth-draped bodies for practice. Their temple leader, Halmid Albiz Allah, who was...

neets.net

The last comment on that thread IS mine

 

[Deleted member 1462]

The last comment on that thread IS mine

Was that intended to slander Satan and/or Allah?
I assumed that was a compliment JFL

 

[Saladino]

Was that intended to slander Satan and/or Allah?
I assumed that was a compliment JFL

Just saying that Allah for the muslims is Satan for the christians
With no disrespect to Allah nor Lucifer

Another funny thing, look what Paul says in Galatians 1:8:


But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Who preached a different gospel to Mohamed? Yes, an angel from Heaven called Gabriel

 

[aesthetic_recon]

I'm not a big fan of the dogma of hell either, but if God is perfect, omniscient and creator of the universe, it is solely within his power to say what punishment sins deserve, which are a breach of his law, right?

well, this relates more to how christians have talked about god throughout the centuries. if the classical christian claims about metaphysics and god are to be believed, if christian scripture is said to be true, then we can use theological reasoning to prove god can't send people to hell for all eternity. here's the tl;dr of the article im writing: classical theism is the belief that god has no accidents (aristotelian category). in other words, god doesn't adhere to some abstract standard of justice/love or a platonic ideal of justice/love, he is justice/love as such (this is classical theism). this is repeated in 1 john 4:8, and has been accepted by christians throughout the centuries as true. a god that is wholly transcendent, i.e., the god of Islam (allah), can assign infinite punishment to humans because allah's ways are completely foreign to humans. but christianity is different. god is both transcendent and immanent; in the beginning of st john's gospel it uses the Greek word logos to name Christ, which in Greek philosophy and religious discussion meant something akin to a divine mediating principle, which in turn entailed a rationally constructed universe. so, if Christ (who is theoanthropos, the god-man) created the universe according to a set of rational principles, and man is imbued with reason, then man can use reasoning to come to some truths about the universe and God himself. using this reasoning, we can prove it's unjust to believe god sends people to hell eternally. (we can also use scripture, as jesus never speaks of a place of eternal conscious torment; the NT is very shaky and somewhat conflicted on its picture of the afterlife. there really isn't a coherent picture of what happens to postmortem souls: some analogies are annihilationist in its eschatology, which is to say the soul is destroyed---think of the wheat being separated from the chaff and the chaff burning; this is an image of destruction, as when chaff is put in fire it is burnt to a crisp and destroyed, not eternally kept alive to be subjected to painful fires. there are some verses that imply universal salvation in paul, like Romans 11:32. others seem to imply eternal punishment. so there's no really easy answer to the question of what happens to souls after they depart from their body after death. but i digress.) anyway, here's a simple syllogism that illustrates why eternal hell is a contradiction:

Premise 1: if god is justice as such, then he cannot do anything that is unjust.
Premise 2: assigning infinite culpability to a finite action is unjust
Conclusion : god cannot send anyone to hell eternally

only a monstrous intelligence would assign infinite punishment to finite actions; CS lewis affirmed eternal hell at the cost of believing that God, in the end, loses: GOd doesn't get to be "all in all." God instead gives up on certain people and subjects them to pain for all eternity. That's not Goodness as such prevailing, that's evil being substantive (evil in this case would not be a lack of the good, the privatio boni. if evil is something substantial, then that violates one of the classical christian claims about good and evil, that there's nothing "to" evil, evil as merely an absence of the good), something that defeats GOd in the end. So, if we take classical christian claims seriously, we must believe all are saved, otherwise it's incoherent, and, if incoherent, not worthy of believing.

 

[Deleted member 1462]

Just saying that Allah for the muslims is Satan for the christians
With no disrespect to Allah nor Lucifer

Another funny thing, look what Paul says in Galatians 1:8:


But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Who preached a different gospel to Mohamed? Yes, an angel from Heaven called Gabriel

I see, the way I look at it, is that Allah appears to be a dark and sinister deity who desires all worldly worship to be directed solely towards him/her.
To achieve this goal, Satan is his/her natural archnemesis.
The picture below is from Iron March where this combination of Satanism, Jihadi islamism and militant neo-nazism originated from.

This guy would become a leader of the Atomwaffen Division; Cameroun Shea.

 

[Saladino]

I see, the way I look at it, is that Allah appears to be a dark and sinister deity who desires all worldly worship to be directed solely towards him/her.
To achieve this goal, Satan is his/her natural archnemesis.
The picture below is from Iron March where this combination of Satanism, Jihadi islamism and militant neo-nazism originated from.
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This guy would become a leader of the Atomwaffen Division; Cameroun Shea.

Quite interesting.
What you say makes sense and there is a theory that the gods of different religions are fallen angels (demons) seeking worship from humanity that should only be given to God. This is based on the fact that in the book of Enoch (apocryphal in all churches except the Ethiopian one) it is said that the banished angels came down to Earth and taught humans things such as metals, shepherding, music, etc. This fits with the gods of polytheistic religions such as in ancient Greece where there was a God of music for example.
So it seems likely to me that Allah is a demon (angel banished from heaven)

 

[Saladino]

well, this relates more to how christians have talked about god throughout the centuries. if the classical christian claims about metaphysics and god are to be believed, if christian scripture is said to be true, then we can use theological reasoning to prove god can't send people to hell for all eternity. here's the tl;dr of the article im writing: classical theism is the belief that god has no accidents (aristotelian category). in other words, god doesn't adhere to some abstract standard of justice/love or a platonic ideal of justice/love, he is justice/love as such (this is classical theism). this is repeated in 1 john 4:8, and has been accepted by christians throughout the centuries as true. a god that is wholly transcendent, i.e., the god of Islam (allah), can assign infinite punishment to humans because allah's ways are completely foreign to humans. but christianity is different. god is both transcendent and immanent; in the beginning of st john's gospel it uses the Greek word logos to name Christ, which in Greek philosophy and religious discussion meant something akin to a divine mediating principle, which in turn entailed a rationally constructed universe. so, if Christ (who is theoanthropos, the god-man) created the universe according to a set of rational principles, and man is imbued with reason, then man can use reasoning to come to some truths about the universe and God himself. using this reasoning, we can prove it's unjust to believe god sends people to hell eternally. (we can also use scripture, as jesus never speaks of a place of eternal conscious torment; the NT is very shaky and somewhat conflicted on its picture of the afterlife. there really isn't a coherent picture of what happens to postmortem souls: some analogies are annihilationist in its eschatology, which is to say the soul is destroyed---think of the wheat being separated from the chaff and the chaff burning; this is an image of destruction, as when chaff is put in fire it is burnt to a crisp and destroyed, not eternally kept alive to be subjected to painful fires. there are some verses that imply universal salvation in paul, like Romans 11:32. others seem to imply eternal punishment. so there's no really easy answer to the question of what happens to souls after they depart from their body after death. but i digress.) anyway, here's a simple syllogism that illustrates why eternal hell is a contradiction:

Premise 1: if god is justice as such, then he cannot do anything that is unjust.
Premise 2: assigning infinite culpability to a finite action is unjust
Conclusion : god cannot send anyone to hell eternally

only a monstrous intelligence would assign infinite punishment to finite actions; CS lewis affirmed eternal hell at the cost of believing that God, in the end, loses: GOd doesn't get to be "all in all." God instead gives up on certain people and subjects them to pain for all eternity. That's not Goodness as such prevailing, that's evil being substantive (evil in this case would not be a lack of the good, the privatio boni. if evil is something substantial, then that violates one of the classical christian claims about good and evil, that there's nothing "to" evil, evil as merely an absence of the good), something that defeats GOd in the end. So, if we take classical christian claims seriously, we must believe all are saved, otherwise it's incoherent, and, if incoherent, not worthy of believing.

For it to be true you would have to prove that premise 2 is true.