Depression Lack of motivation?

[Based Vampire]

Anyone else feels not motivated to do anything?

In order to have an intrinsic motivation to do something (i.e. you're motivated to do 'X' for its own sake, simply because doing 'X' is inherently satisfying) you need to be great at this something, to have a talent and to have a passion. Most of us are not great at anything. Most of us are good or average at something, but we rarely have a true talent for something. On the contrary, think about autistic geniuses like Paul Erdos who spent his whole life doing mathematics alone (he literally didnt do ANYTHING else) and lived a happy life.

Extrinsic motivation (i.e. doing something for the sake of the result/consequences) is not always very effective. Think about wage slaving. You are motivated to work a stupid job because you don't want to be poor or homeless. You are motivated. But are you truly happy? I don't think so. That's why a lot of people prefer to do just enough to get by, they are not really motivated to do anything beyond that - what is the point?

Suppose you're doing something you enjoy doing but can't really succeed, you have no result, no external motivation. It's not really fulfulling. Paul Erdos, for example, has authored thousands of scientific papers. It's a great GIFT to be talented in something and to actually be successful at it.

Most people have no true talent or passion. Most of us are not good enough at something that we love to make a living off it. Those happy few who have both the talent and the ability to produce good results utilizing it are truly blessed.

But this goes on to show how pathetic and unfair this life is. It seems random and meaningless. Some people are born lucky while others are cursed for life. This existence has to be a joke.

 

[404Errorcel]

I find most things boring so im bored most of the time. Not sure if its a lack of motivation.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

It's cause our lives are comfortable. Unfulfilling and miserable, sure. But comfortable.

So we settle for whatever we can get as long as we can continue to be comfortable.

Being content with this is the key to happiness I suppose. But we aren't programmed that way.

So ... idk lol. I guess we just gotta find a way to force ourselves to do something we don't feel like doing at all.

 

[Based Vampire]

It's cause our lives are comfortable. Unfulfilling and miserable, sure. But comfortable.

So we settle for whatever we can get as long as we can continue to be comfortable.

Being content with this is the key to happiness I suppose. But we aren't programmed that way.

So ... idk lol. I guess we just gotta find a way to force ourselves to do something we don't feel like doing at all.

I feel like we're just not motivated enough to do something about it. Not because we're lazy. It's not like we just need to get up and 'start doing something' and we will magically become successful (that's what the redpill hustlers scammers want us to believe). But because it doesn't really feel like there is hope.

Most of us are not really GOOD at anything. We may be okay, average, but not exceptional. Not good enough to the point where we can do something for its own sake, doesn't matter what the results are. To enjoy something you have to be really successful at it and you need to see some results from your work otherwise you become demotivated and depressed.

So we're forced to, say, work at some 9 to 5 just to get by. Sure, the money is good. You are motivated to keep the job by external factors like not wanting to become homeless. But not motivated enough to be passionate about what you're doing. Because you hate it. You hate this job. The only reason you do it is because you HAVE to do it to not end up homeless.

And you can't be doing what you enjoy doing because you're not good enough at it to make enough money off it.

So we end up living a pretty unfulfilling (like you said) life even though we can afford the basic comfort. But me personally? It's not enough to make a man happy if you ask me...

@Khaos Let me know what you think by the way

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

I feel like we're just not motivated enough to do something about it. Not because we're lazy. It's not like we just need to get up and 'start doing something' and we will magically become successful (that's what the redpill hustlers scammers want us to believe). But because it doesn't really feel like there is hope.

Most of us are not really GOOD at anything. We may be okay, average, but not exceptional. Not good enough to the point where we can do something for its own sake, doesn't matter what the results are. To enjoy something you have to be really successful at it and you need to see some results from your work otherwise you become demotivated and depressed.

So we're forced to, say, work at some 9 to 5 just to get by. Sure, the money is good. You are motivated to keep the job by external factors like not wanting to become homeless. But not motivated enough to be passionate about what you're doing. Because you hate it. You hate this job. The only reason you do it is because you HAVE to do it to not end up homeless.

And you can't be doing what you enjoy doing because you're not good enough at it to make enough money off it.

So we end up living a pretty unfulfilling (like you said) life even though we can afford the basic comfort. But me personally? It's not enough to make a man happy if you ask me...

@Khaos Let me know what you think by the way

Is there anything you could do that you would be motivated for, that you wouldn't hate?

I don't think that's it. I think compared to the comfort and easy dopamine of our modern lives, no activity whatsoever will compare. Everything you could possibly do would feel boring.

So to really love an activity and have a passion for it, I think first you'd have to get rid of any addictions to things like movies, games, youtube, the internet etc. And by addiction I mean much less than even the average person does these things nowadays. I think 3 hours a day of something is already an addiction, even though I'm so far gone that I do these things for 16 a day, for many years.

 

[Based Vampire]

Is there anything you could do that you would be motivated for, that you wouldn't hate?

I don't think that's it. I think compared to the comfort and easy dopamine of our modern lives, no activity whatsoever will compare. Everything you could possibly do would feel boring.

So to really love an activity and have a passion for it, I think first you'd have to get rid of any addictions to things like movies, games, youtube, the internet etc. And by addiction I mean much less than even the average person does these things nowadays. I think 3 hours a day of something is already an addiction, even though I'm so far gone that I do these things for 16 a day, for many years.

Dopamine experts say that in general you can use your drug of choice (e.g. instant gratification activities like gaming, binge watching) 2-3 times a week in 2 hour sessions. Not every day. That way you can still have a healthy life.

But I agree 100% with what you're saying, although you're talking about a different (yet still relative) problem. It's all interconnected. That's why we feel like we can't break out of this LDAR Limbo!

 

[uglyboi1]

Indeed. Some are born lucky, like having parents who pay for their apartment, law degree and 128 IQ as well as not being craniofacially deformed.

 

[Atila]

 

[KARENIN]

Dopamine experts say that in general you can use your drug of choice (e.g. instant gratification activities like gaming, binge watching) 2-3 times a week in 2 hour sessions. Not every day. That way you can still have a healthy life.

But do cockologists say that you can stroke your cock to your porn of choice (e.g. binge watching Hitler-Eva Braun sex video) 2-3 times a week in 2 hour sessions and still have a healthy life?

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

I unironically literally went and did some bicep curls after watching this. Thanks.

 

[Based Vampire]

But do cockologists say that you can stroke your cock to your porn of choice (e.g. binge watching Hitler-Eva Braun sex video) 2-3 times a week in 2 hour sessions and still have a healthy life?

Do NoFap.

 

[Zangano1]

yes, some days I wake up with motivation, but its rare when that happens

 

[Eren]

true motivation comes from perfectly timed deployment of caffeine anhydrous + theanine & good circadian rhythm

 

[KARENIN]

Do NoFap.

Stroking cock is an example of "instant gratification activities" that induce dopamine spikes. Just questioning the advice of your """dopamine experts"""

 

[Based Vampire]

Stroking cock is an example of "instant gratification activities" that induce dopamine spikes. Just questioning the advice of your """dopamine experts"""

Anna Lembke talks about a masturbation machine that some dude made to please himself. The answer to your original question would be: mastebrating and porn watching is okay unless its not interfering with your life and health. I dont think that watching porn for 2 hours is healthy

Anyway, about the machine... (NSFW!)

Throughout his teens, Jacob returned from school, went to the attic, and masturbated to a drawing of the Greek goddess Aphrodite he had copied from a textbook and hidden between the wooden floorboards. He would later look on this period of his life as a time of innocence.

At eighteen he moved to live with his older sister in the city to study physics and engineering at the university there. His sister was gone much of the day working, and for the first time in his life, he was alone for long stretches. He was lonely.

“So I decided to make a machine…”

“A machine?” I asked, sitting up a little straighter.

“A masturbation machine.”

I hesitated. “I see. How did it work?”

[editquote:'So I decided to make a machine… A masturbation machine'I connect a metal rod to a record player. The other end I connect to an open metal coil, which I wrap with a soft cloth.” He drew a picture to show me. (https://www.psychotherapy.net/article/dopamine-nation-finding-balance-age-of-indulgence)

 

[KARENIN]

Extrinsic motivation (i.e. doing something for the sake of the result/consequences) is not always very effective.

But anon1822 is a very effective extrinsic motivation for researching scams, his posts should be required reading for Criminology majors

 

[Khaos]

I feel like we're just not motivated enough to do something about it. Not because we're lazy. It's not like we just need to get up and 'start doing something' and we will magically become successful (that's what the redpill hustlers scammers want us to believe). But because it doesn't really feel like there is hope.

Most of us are not really GOOD at anything. We may be okay, average, but not exceptional. Not good enough to the point where we can do something for its own sake, doesn't matter what the results are. To enjoy something you have to be really successful at it and you need to see some results from your work otherwise you become demotivated and depressed.

So we're forced to, say, work at some 9 to 5 just to get by. Sure, the money is good. You are motivated to keep the job by external factors like not wanting to become homeless. But not motivated enough to be passionate about what you're doing. Because you hate it. You hate this job. The only reason you do it is because you HAVE to do it to not end up homeless.

And you can't be doing what you enjoy doing because you're not good enough at it to make enough money off it.

So we end up living a pretty unfulfilling (like you said) life even though we can afford the basic comfort. But me personally? It's not enough to make a man happy if you ask me...

@Khaos Let me know what you think by the way

I would agree. I think like I could be good at some things, but investing all the effort and pain required to be great would require lots of confidence and belief in not just yourself, but the world around you being fair, and the future looking bright. It requires to be naive and hopeful to think you'll somehow beat the odds against you unless you are a rare talent. That is a lot to ask from disillusioned people like us living in a near dystopia, who got a raw deal while others around us are doing better mostly due to luck.

It's like this, how are you going to be motivated about a race when your opponents are given a huge handicap over you. We already tried and got beaten down. No matter what anyone says you need a win from time to time otherwise you won't see the point. Positive reinforcement and all.