Venting Making autism uncool

[RNT]

It won't be hard to find a forum specifically for autists and evaluate your fascination with identifying as non-NT, thus allying yourself with those people.

If you're using gay lingo you attract gays, it's no rocket science. And that is indeed LGBT lingo - you can't proclaim yourself autist-friendly and then fail to follow up when they start talk about "masking", i.e. imitating being human just like in "The Thing" movie.

Spoiler: Pictured: Mary exterminates the thing

Aspies talk about getting bullied - but it's not bullying. It revulsion, then exclusion. THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.

I've been called names like "weird" "rare" "nerd" and "ret*d" and I now realize that it could be Aspergers. I remember in fourth grade all the kids picked on me, even the teacher.

Context blindness is not a joke either, you're a talking to Skippy Assistant from Microsoft Word.

When people say things I usually first evaluate the truth of the statement in a logical fashion. This can get you into trouble if you don't think about the context and who is saying it.

I browse schizophrenia spectrum forums as well, more of an interest of mine, and no one uses "non-NT" word or tries to distance themselves from "normal people", while painfully struggling to imitate them. Normal people wrote all those books and shot all those movies among other things.

And autists are not likeable.

 

[Deleted member 2241]

Retard tbh

 

[RNT]

Retard tbh

You should read my threads on incel, fren. And before that decide - are you an incel (ugly and so forth) or an autist (alien species).

 

[Riddler]

Agreed although im against demonizing people. Actual Autists have a disability that sucks, not a cool quirky trait

The quirkification leads people to think high functioning autism is made up altogether

I mean I like the proud autist stuff jokingly but seriously, making autism into anything other than a disability is absurd

In part why I've taken to schizoid. Search the term and you get serial killers instead of people saying every quirky historical figure had autism. It's less sullied

 

[RNT]

In part why I've taken to schizoid. Search the term and you get serial killers instead of people saying every quirky historical figure had autism. It's less sullied

To some extent, these definitions are less sophisticated than astrology (for astrology is complex and smart and, as I've looked up, therapists in the US don't hold M.D. title... Let's hope those diagnoses are issued by psychiatrists).

One significant difference is that autism gets diagnozed during childhood while SPD onsets in late teens and most of those people run undiganozed.

If you've had a normal childhood and then decide to become a Trotskyist gooner living in a cabin in Vermont - that's not autism. If you can read social situations and facial expressions, that's not autism either.

Here's not a bad article

Schizoid PD vs. Autism - Neurodivergent Insights

Schizoid Personality Disorder vs. Autism Before discovering my autism, I would frequently reference my “schizoidness”. At the time, this was the only language I had to describe my relational peculiarities. I was often perplexed by the paradox I seemed to occupy—being a deeply relational...

neurodivergentinsights.com

 

[fries]

I still can't tell if your horrible runglish is the result of you trying too hard or if this is meant as a joke like BAP's accent on CR

"This is the kind of guy who reads th- like an f- or a d- with nothing in between"

 

[Riddler]

To some extent, these definitions are less sophisticated than astrology (for astrology is complex and smart and, as I've looked up, therapists in the US don't hold M.D. title... Let's hope those diagnoses are issued by psychiatrists).

One significant difference is that autism gets diagnozed during childhood while SPD onsets in late teens and most of those people run undiganozed.

If you've had a normal childhood and then decide to become a Trotskyist gooner living in a cabin in Vermont - that's not autism. If you can read social situations and facial expressions, that's not autism either.

Here's not a bad article

Schizoid PD vs. Autism - Neurodivergent Insights

Schizoid Personality Disorder vs. Autism Before discovering my autism, I would frequently reference my “schizoidness”. At the time, this was the only language I had to describe my relational peculiarities. I was often perplexed by the paradox I seemed to occupy—being a deeply relational...

neurodivergentinsights.com

Yeah and even if your childhood was fucked and you end up a troyskist gooner, that has nil to do with autism

I remember some dumb thread about autistic users and they just labeled the most outwardly wacky and zany people autistic

Same people whine about "fake autist" women because they have boyfriends and seem normal or whatever. When they hold a more legitimate claim on autism than some idiot here blaming his fear of talking to people on self diagnosed autism

On top of that, people have an idiotic trait of labeling other users "well adjusted" and "NT" because they don't do the "wacky zany crazy ahh incel" bit as hard

 

[Deleted member 2206]

Yeah and even if your childhood was fucked and you end up a troyskist gooner, that has nil to do with autism

I remember some dumb thread about autistic users and they just labeled the most outwardly wacky and zany people autistic

Same people whine about "fake autist" women because they have boyfriends and seem normal or whatever. When they hold a more legitimate claim on autism than some idiot here blaming his fear of talking to people on self diagnosed autism

On top of that, people have an idiotic trait of labeling other users "well adjusted" and "NT" because they don't do the "wacky zany crazy ahh incel" bit as hard

Define autism, because even experts don't know exactly what it actually is, so you seem to have a clearer idea than them.

There is no clear explanation of autism so the only possible cause for classification is the symptoms. The reason I get pissed at 'autistic' women is that they almost always have friends, boyfriends, the miraculous ability to mask. I am nonverbal and can't maintain relationships because I cannot even begin to 'mask' but these people share the same diagnosis as me and dominate the discussion. Being able to 'mask' implies you understand social rules enough to fraud them which means you are not autistic, probably just an introvert that finds socialization tiresome. 'Wacky zany crazy incels' ya no shit if you have an actual disorder and aren't just pretending to be quirky you end up completely discordant with society with no hope of appearing normal.

 

[RNT]

I still can't tell if your horrible runglish is the result of you trying too hard or if this is meant as a joke like BAP's accent on CR

I read my first book in English at maybe 25 yo, it was H.G. Wells "Russia in the Shadows" - a non-fiction account of his travel to the Soviet Union where he lavishly praises it. Then I read some more of H.G. Wells, "The Island of Doctor Moreau", "The War of the Worlds" and, then, his anti-German WW1 pampletism in "The War That Will End War" and world-goverment plans in "The Open Conspiracy'.

So your insinuations cargo cultism is nil, I'm Russian to the bone and as I've stated many times I grew up reading European books - just like all cultured Russians do. French and Germans authors outnumber 10 to 1 anything American in my library, but, still, that amounts to maybe about 15 thick anti-Semtic books.

You think it's a low hanging fruit to pick at me, but you have no idea what it coming. You're just like that naive Looksmaxxer Joe, "yo ho ho what can this silly RNT come up with". Then the user ropes.

On top of that, people have an idiotic trait of labeling other users "well adjusted" and "NT" because they don't do the "wacky zany crazy ahh incel" bit as hard

The issue here is language, aspies talk about NTs all the time - and then incels talk about the same. It creates a certain illusion and that the two can even bond. Two underdogs and all that. A false idea.

 

[MelaninQueen]

not a cool quirky trait

It is not quirky at all. Getting a job is almost an odyssey unless you're exceptionally gifted or you live in a first world country.

 

[MelaninQueen]

SPD onsets in late teens and most of those people run undiganozed.

I developed SPD at the age of 11. Both my parents are neurodivergent (not autistic). I have close relatives who suffer from schizophrenia and hysteria.

 

[Saladino]

Name of the girl with the flamethrower?

 

[RNT]

Name of the girl with the flamethrower?

Bro, no way. Mary Elizabeth Winstead is in top 3 cuties from 2010s Hollywood.

 

[Riddler]

Define autism, because even experts don't know exactly what it actually is, so you seem to have a clearer idea than them.

We don't know what it exactly is but we know what it's not: garden variety social anxiety and eccentricity.

The reason I get pissed at 'autistic' women is that they almost always have friends, boyfriends, the miraculous ability to mask. I am nonverbal and can't maintain relationships because I cannot even begin to 'mask' but these people share the same diagnosis as me and dominate the discussion. Being able to 'mask' implies you understand social rules enough to fraud them which means you are not autistic, probably just an introvert that finds socialization tiresome. 'Wacky zany crazy incels' ya no shit if you have an actual disorder and aren't just pretending to be quirky you end up completely discordant with society with no hope of appearing normal.

Nonverbal means you literally can't talk like this guy lol.

Aspies like systems thinking. Masking is just brute-forcing your way into reading social signals, that is going to be tiresome because normal people intuit signals unconsciously

If someone has actually done the heavy lifting of masking and realizes they find it draining, then they have more credence than a self diagnosed E-sperg who just sits inside all day blaming autism and insisting it's impossible for them to ever learn to hold a conversation while they learn every incel term in the book, and make 0 effort in learning to talk to women, which would presumably help their issue of being incel.

 

[Saladino]

Bro, no way. Mary Elizabeth Winstead is in top 3 cuties from 2010s Hollywood.

I'm not into goyslop that much. But thanks

 

[fries]

So your insinuations cargo cultism is nil, I'm Russian to the bone and as I've stated many times I grew up reading European books - just like all cultured Russians do. French and Germans authors outnumber 10 to 1 anything American in my library, but, still, that amounts to maybe about 15 thick anti-Semtic books.

You think it's a low hanging fruit to pick at me, but you have no idea what it coming. You're just like that naive Looksmaxxer Joe, "yo ho ho what can this silly RNT come up with". Then the user ropes.

found the BULL's lost cousin, literally the same energy:

 

[Deleted member 2206]

We don't know what it exactly is but we know what it's not: garden variety social anxiety and eccentricity.




Nonverbal means you literally can't talk like this guy lol.

Aspies like systems thinking. Masking is just brute-forcing your way into reading social signals, that is going to be tiresome because normal people intuit signals unconsciously

If someone has actually done the heavy lifting of masking and realizes they find it draining, then they have more credence than a self diagnosed E-sperg who just sits inside all day blaming autism and insisting it's impossible for them to ever learn to hold a conversation while they learn every incel term in the book, and make 0 effort in learning to talk to women, which would presumably help their issue of being incel.

I never said it was garden variety social anxiety and eccentricity. If your only symptom of autism is that you find 'masking' tiring then that's fucking hilarious as you know what normal people do? They apply social masks and if you're an introvert you get tired. Masking is what NORMAL people do in NORMAL EVERYDAY SITUATIONS.

If you're autistic you can't 'brute force' anything. It's like if normies play soccer their entire life and you claim you are on their level because you've watched it on TV lots, autists have completely different neurodevelopment and cannot replicate normie behaviour in this way. It's not the same. Again, 'brute-forcing' is a tool for introverted neurotypicals who want to LARP as disordered for good boy points. They want to LARP as some gigachad that is so intelligent that they 'overcame the odds and managed to communicate like a pro'.

The white-knighting is insane. According to you a woman who has a boyfriend, friends, social life, no problems talking whatsoever but gets 'tired' in conversation is a bona-fide valid autistic person, yet men who do not have the ability to fundamentally communicate and exhibits mono-tropism and genuine autistic traits are somehow just lazy and 'not putting in the effort'.

And yes, I literally cannot talk, like that guy. That is what autism is. I am only this lucid in text.

 

[RNT]

Masking is what NORMAL people do in NORMAL EVERYDAY SITUATIONS.

There's a thread named "The autism social rule book" that runs for 54 pages on that autism forum I frequent.

Let me quote some "tips":

2. Look people in the eye, but not in a fixed manner. Look away once in a while as they feel uncomfortable if you stare.
4. If someone asks if you like their new haircut--ALWAYS compliment it.
7. If someone fully turns away from you (with their entire body), then stop talking to them. They've moved on. (learned this one today, actually!)
12. During a movie, you should keep your comments to yourself, and wait until after the film to share your thoughts.
27. If you have a good friend who is very NT, ask them for tips about things you might not realize, and they will likely be glad to help explain a lot that is going on and what is expected of you in various situations that puzzle you.
30. Try to keep pacing to a minimum around others if you do it. You may be thinking, but it makes people nervous.
35. Never ever ask someone if she is pregnant.
37. If someone is in the middle of a story, let them finish it. Don't interrupt them.

That's for 54 pages, I repeat. There are two possible solutions for you - go visit that autism forum and acknowledge you're an autist or stop pretending you are one.

 

[Riddler]

I never said it was garden variety social anxiety and eccentricity. If your only symptom of autism is that you find 'masking' tiring then that's fucking hilarious as you know what normal people do? They apply social masks and if you're an introvert you get tired. Masking is what NORMAL people do in NORMAL EVERYDAY SITUATIONS.

If you're autistic you can't 'brute force' anything. It's like if normies play soccer their entire life and you claim you are on their level because you've watched it on TV lots, autists have completely different neurodevelopment and cannot replicate normie behaviour in this way. It's not the same. Again, 'brute-forcing' is a tool for introverted neurotypicals who want to LARP as disordered for good boy points. They want to LARP as some gigachad that is so intelligent that they 'overcame the odds and managed to communicate like a pro'.

The white-knighting is insane. According to you a woman who has a boyfriend, friends, social life, no problems talking whatsoever but gets 'tired' in conversation is a bona-fide valid autistic person, yet men who do not have the ability to fundamentally communicate and exhibits mono-tropism and genuine autistic traits are somehow just lazy and 'not putting in the effort'.

And yes, I literally cannot talk, like that guy. That is what autism is. I am only this lucid in text.

Alot of this is strawman like "no problem talking" and "only symptom" but look, if you want to define this thing extremely narrowly, so be it.

It involves retconning out people who literally helped define autism like temple grandin. People diagnosed very young but who can affect public speaking abilities like chris chan or greta thunberg, but if this your line in the land, I leave it to you brother

 

[RNT]

>Amadeus are typing
While he's at it, let's give him more food for thought

55. NTs don't appreciate it when you constantly correct their grammatical errors. It is also rule number 48, but it is repeated because it is extra important.
56. Do not use obscure words when referring to simple things such as directions or when responding to "How are you?"
67. Truth is NOT important in most conversation beside serious academic discussions. Exaggerations can smooth or even make the conversation more funny
69. The current topic should cease when the listener showed signs of uninterested (short responses or turn their head to other matter). Try to make a completely new topic and see their reaction, if their uninterested persisted the conversation should cease
79. When talking on the phone and the other part is telling a long story, and you just need to listen, hm and oh a little here and there. Otherwise the one talking will think the silence means the connection is lost
82. Rhetorical questions are NOT supposed to be answered (a LOT of people ask rhetorical questions)

 

[Deleted member 2206]

There's a thread named "The autism social rule book" that runs for 54 pages on that autism forum I frequent.

Let me quote some "tips":


That's for 54 pages, I repeat. There are two possible solutions for you - go visit that autism forum and acknowledge you're an autist or stop pretending you are one.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I was diagnosed as a 2 year old. It's very trendy for introverts to LARP as autists nowadays.

An actual autistic person would not have the social awareness to be able to execute this on the fly. Try telling the autistic person from the video below that they just 'need to follow this social rule guide that I pasted from an autism forum brooo. Just follow the social rules and brute force it brooo. Stop LARPing brooo just follow the rules dis y u inkwell!!! '. Making a rulebook is one thing, adhering to them is another. The only people that can actually follow these guidelines are people who were not autistic to begin with - an increasing number of neurotypicals now just want to feel special through self-diagnosis. As I said, they want to LARP as some gigachad who can 'beat all odds through sheer intelligence'.



Other than your unabashed and unsolicited hatred for autists which is not only misplaced but inaccurate there is no argument to be had here.

 

[RNT]

Other than your unabashed and unsolicited hatred for autists

If I could put it into music

An actual autistic person would not have the social awareness to be able to execute this on the fly. Try telling the autistic person from the video below that they just 'need to follow this social rule guide that I pasted from an autism forum brooo. Just follow the social rules and brute force it brooo.

I was kinda making the opposite point because of your remark that "normies do masking". No, they don't.

It's aspies that make up these artificial "masks" (follow rules) and try to pass as normal human beans.

 

[Deleted member 2206]

If I could put it into music



I was kinda making the opposite point because of your remark that "normies do masking". No, they don't.

It's aspies that make up these artificial "masks" (follow rules) and try to pass as normal human beans.

Fair enough. I didn't mean to flame your thread bro. I just feel strongly about this sort of thing.

 

[General Alek]

Retard tbh

what's your problem?

 

[General Alek]

men only though

 

[Deleted member 2241]

You should read my threads on incel, fren. And before that decide - are you an incel (ugly and so forth) or an autist (alien species).

Both and I'm proud

 

[lunin5]

Agreed although im against demonizing people. Actual Autists have a disability that sucks, not a cool quirky trait

The quirkification leads people to think high functioning autism is made up altogether

I mean I like the proud autist stuff jokingly but seriously, making autism into anything other than a disability is absurd

In part why I've taken to schizoid. Search the term and you get serial killers instead of people saying every quirky historical figure had autism. It's less sullied

No first thing that pops up when you search autism are sub 5 drooling fat kids with their eyes crossed

 

[tacticalskeleton]

I used to try to cope by focusing on "quirky" part of my personality and basically use autism to jestermaxx in most absurd and hopefully funny way, and I've always failed to make people laugh and like me, I only made them confused, angry, or disgusted.
nowadays I stopped doing that because it has brought me several embarrassing experiences but I don't try to adapt into normalfag society neither, I don't like things most people likes, and trying to be someone else that are not me only brings pain.

 

[Lain]

Define autism, because even experts don't know exactly what it actually is, so you seem to have a clearer idea than them.

There is no clear explanation of autism so the only possible cause for classification is the symptoms. The reason I get pissed at 'autistic' women is that they almost always have friends, boyfriends, the miraculous ability to mask. I am nonverbal and can't maintain relationships because I cannot even begin to 'mask' but these people share the same diagnosis as me and dominate the discussion. Being able to 'mask' implies you understand social rules enough to fraud them which means you are not autistic, probably just an introvert that finds socialization tiresome. 'Wacky zany crazy incels' ya no shit if you have an actual disorder and aren't just pretending to be quirky you end up completely discordant with society with no hope of appearing normal.

When I was a kid, my parents believed I had autism. One of the main reasons why is that every day, I'd wake up and go get all of my toy cars and line them up in the exact pattern, if anyone changed the pattern, I'd apparently try to attack them. There were other reasons, like the way I talked, the weird noises I made, the way I would look at people and other reasons. A lot of these traits I kept into adulthood in one form, I was very socially incompetent when I was 18 and had strong autistic symptoms.

One thing that I used to do is that whenever someone would try to talk to me, I'd make a strange repetitive noise and try to avoid them, I can't exactly describe it but it was an uncontrollable feeling, while I felt comfortable after I did it, it was clearly offputting to my family/others. They say things like MDMA can help autism, I'm not sure when it changed, if it was MDMA or psychedelics or ketamine or what, but I stopped being as autistic over the years, I stopped doing that specific noise and stopped being as obsessive about repetition.

It's something to possibly look into or research more. I want to say most of my autistic symptoms went away when I was my early 20s after taking a lot of drugs. I believe MDMA and ketamine might've done it.