Discussion On Anti-natalism, Biological Dependencies, Celibacy.

Tabula Rasa

Tabula Rasa

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While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences.

The sexual impulse is a product of the biological urge to reproduce that occurs among living species on this planet. Reproduction is essentially a form of biological life extension, it's a prerogative for a species in order to survive, the function of an organism is essentially as a vessel carrying genetic information to be disseminated. However, as a being capable of introspection and thought, I choose not to equate myself with my biological functions. As an individual, I'm independent of the impulses which drive me as a biological organism to reproduce.

Our culture emphasizes fertility. However, having children better serves the interests of others rather than our own. Businessmen and politicians want another wageslave to squeeze labor and capital out of from cradle to coffin. Different groups want us to be fertile in order to propagate whatever ethnicity/culture/religion which we were assigned to at birth. These forces prey upon our biological dependencies and vulnerabilities to give in eventually, betabux a roastie wife and end up spitting out a few kids.

The reason humans are motivated to undertake any sexual activity at all is in order to satisfy their biological need to reproduce. And a sizable portion each generation do end up reproducing, however I myself have no interest in taking part of this cycle. I would prefer my life to cease upon my death, and my presence on this earth to be erased, rather than extending it through some offspring I have. I've no intention of continuing to participate in humanity long after my death. Some points I've heard against this is that it's a form of biological immortality, muh bloodline, etc. I find this premise nonsensical, because by reproducing, you are creating another sovereign individual who is apart and independent from yourself. While I share biological information with the previous generations before me, my ancestors are not 'living through me', the unremarkable and hapless incel that I am.

Natalists end up foistering their expectations on the descendants that they have, (which again is akin to the various groups and interests that I have mentioned previously, they imprint their qualities and values onto their offspring), but as individuals, they only have one life. Trying to extend your life outside of that is a futile effort.

Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts, if they so have to.

One of the gripes that I have with some of the individuals in these spheres, is the underlying and covert female worship that is implicit in the culture. The Blackpill is gnosis, but if femoids are on your mind all the time, is that not also a form of pedestalizing them as well? If one is aware of how terrible and deceptive female nature is, would not the logical response be to stop desiring them and pay them no mind? Blackpillers free from Bluepill delusions are (rightfully) enraged at females and the chaos and destruction they have wreaked in our societies, yet there is still a lingering attachment to them, and that brings me again to the biological dependencies which I have talked about. Blackpillers tend to call out individuals who have been turned off and are not interested in women as 'copers', while claiming sex and romantic relationships are essential to life. But by claiming this, is this not a form of idealizing women? If one is aware of the facts of the Blackpill, it should follow then that there's no reason to desire them at all.

In incel culture, escorting is generally not seen as counting towards ascending from incel status—one would need to enter a relationship in order to do so.

But romantic love has become increasingly rare and sparing especially in the past few decades, even among normies—more often than not they end up getting divorce cucked or landing in a dead bedroom. Knowing female nature, I would not want myself shackled to some roastie whore wife for the rest of my life, I'd much rather prefer my autonomy as an incel than being consigned to that fate.

So what explains this 'lingering attachment', this erroneous notion that femoids will somehow make you fulfilled in life? I'd propose that the biological urge to reproduce, always omnipresent, is made manifest in the suffering and despair that many incels experience upon realization they will never find a woman or reproduce, but above all this neuroticism is the logical conclusion that one arrives at—that women are not worth your time and sufferings. By remaining dependent on females, you will continue to be a slave to them.

The use of the word cope signifies that something is used as a substitute in place of an object of desire which is unattainable, but if that object is no longer present or longed for, then it is no longer a cope. By becoming aware of and realizing their desire for sex and female relationships is only a product of their biological dependencies and urges to reproduce, and detaching them from their own individual identity, then can Blackpillers truly be free.
 
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Dyinghope

Dyinghope

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Moving on from this point, I am by no means suggesting for celibates to sublimate their biological urges, one should address them through self-pleasure, or even escorts,

Being a man was too much hard work, so I became a woman: Inside the transmaxxing trend for low value incel males.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14433829/being-man-hard-woman-inside-transmaxxing-trend-men-swap-gender-female-benefits.html&ved=2ahUKEwivht-J3-GLAxWIV0EAHUKFCZgQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2gUjTqrLARxkWH_w2YuZFF

Interesting article I read earlier, maybe it's another option for some?
 
Tabula Rasa

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Sage

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Dec 5, 2024
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Antinatalism is an unnatural and nihilistic response to a deeply hostile environment. I could understand refusing to partner with unsuitable women which is the vast majority, but to become ideologically opposed to the idea of children under any circumstances is just trauma speaking.

I'm not ending an unbroken chain of billions of years of evolution because a bunch of corpos, government suits, and femistasi want to make it difficult.
 
No1JCfan

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Disturbed20

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Матвей Викторович Лоптев
Apr 6, 2025
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I absolutely love the transhumanist part of this text. Very keen insights. I truly believe it's what we should be striving for. Now if I have to explain to those who didn't pay attention obviously love doesn't pick a side and if one finds themselves in a romantic relationship with a woman they can choose to create a baby and this is something magical, the fact you have the freedom to do such a thing, but it is by no means the end all be all of your existence in this plane. Everything in life is essentially a side quest if you think about it and this is what captures people who didn't think too deeply about it off-guard, 'how can I be happy if I don't do X', well how can a movie be fun and interesting if it has a bad ending? Is the purpose of a song to play it's final note? It ties into how your life here in the present is completely timeless, and one does not live to experience what one does not live to experience... aka, death, or whatever effect one's life has had on the world
 
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