TechnoSquid
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- Jul 24, 2024
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A new user asked about Pan-Asianism on AI on a different thread and I thought I would summarize it into a separate post (some modifications made).
User
DId moderators change? I been on aznidentity for a long time . At first it was more towards East Asian now it's pan Asian?
There are distinct issues that effect East Asian vs South Asians. Heck I live in NYC I even notice that some South Asians don't even like the East Asian and it can vice Verser.
South East Asian because they look more like East Asian in appearance .
The WMAF really effect the East Asian and South East Asian group more so than SOuth Asians. HEck I see more South Asian males with East Asian females which does create jealous on East Asian guys .
Even the stereotypes are different. During Covid there was a target on allot of East Asian and South East Asian if they look similar to East Asian. South Asian stayed way quiet on this one.
I heard that in UK most of the Asians there are actually South Asians...and from what I hear there are attacks or sometimes racial harassment from South Asian on to East Asian.
I get that in AsianMAsculinity they criticize Aznidentity for being too South Asians direction.
Response (by myself**)**
Mods didn't change. I'm a co-founder of AI along with AsianMovement; he is East Asian, I am South Asian. We've been Pan-Asian for 8 years- we've been the most effective Asian sub as far as activism, and fighting against racism against Asians.
Vast majority of people are good with it because a) we suffer similar stereotypes (nerdy, asexual, narrow), and b) we fight well together- take a look at how we worked together to get this university to include Asians in a health event during Covid :
One reason we get more results together is it helps make the argument when other people are making it for you, in addition to the affected community. If just E Asians protested the health event, that might be enough; but it helps them hear from those outside the affected community (ie: S Asians) - then they recognize that the broader community is outraged. Same goes for when E. Asians talk about white racism going on, on X against South Asians. Whites get the sense that all of society is getting fed up with them, not just their target (S. Asians).
Pan-Asianism can be very effective for this reason. I remember when E. Asian men and women were arguing on Twitter, and E. Asian feminists were attacking E. Asian men. Whenever E. Asian men would fight back, the E. Asian women would just laugh and continue using the same tired insults against them. But when S. Asians would speak up - they realized that their mischaracterization of E. Asian men wasn't appreciated even outside the community, they took a step back.
Yes the communities face differences in the racism we face- and we fight them all. That's how the community works. S Asians should fight for issues that affect E. Asians more- and we do. Try looking through our history. Look at how we fought "Mail Order Family" - a racist pilot against E. Asians- South Asians fought that too. Nothing about S. Asians here means E. Asians can't fight issues that affect them; they can, and also get backup.
I strongly suggest new members look through our history. We get people who want E. Asians or S. Asians to be isolated, chiming in on defeatist mentalities like "we can trust no one" -- such people are often losers in real life, totally isolated, and preach the same black pill gospel for the community- which we consistently reject.
Most of the criticism we get from AsianMasc are a small set of guys who were banned from here because they were usually sadistic types who raged against every minority group but whites. They attacked AF more than white racism; they attacked other Asians more than white racism etc.
The reason AI is feared by whites - hence the hit pieces in Slate and The Cut- is because we're effective. We're effective because we fight together against common enemies; compare this to those who preach defeatist isolation which 'feels good' but leads to impotence.
We're effective because of the decisions we've made in the past- part of who we are.
User
DId moderators change? I been on aznidentity for a long time . At first it was more towards East Asian now it's pan Asian?
There are distinct issues that effect East Asian vs South Asians. Heck I live in NYC I even notice that some South Asians don't even like the East Asian and it can vice Verser.
South East Asian because they look more like East Asian in appearance .
The WMAF really effect the East Asian and South East Asian group more so than SOuth Asians. HEck I see more South Asian males with East Asian females which does create jealous on East Asian guys .
Even the stereotypes are different. During Covid there was a target on allot of East Asian and South East Asian if they look similar to East Asian. South Asian stayed way quiet on this one.
I heard that in UK most of the Asians there are actually South Asians...and from what I hear there are attacks or sometimes racial harassment from South Asian on to East Asian.
I get that in AsianMAsculinity they criticize Aznidentity for being too South Asians direction.
Response (by myself**)**
Mods didn't change. I'm a co-founder of AI along with AsianMovement; he is East Asian, I am South Asian. We've been Pan-Asian for 8 years- we've been the most effective Asian sub as far as activism, and fighting against racism against Asians.
Vast majority of people are good with it because a) we suffer similar stereotypes (nerdy, asexual, narrow), and b) we fight well together- take a look at how we worked together to get this university to include Asians in a health event during Covid :
One reason we get more results together is it helps make the argument when other people are making it for you, in addition to the affected community. If just E Asians protested the health event, that might be enough; but it helps them hear from those outside the affected community (ie: S Asians) - then they recognize that the broader community is outraged. Same goes for when E. Asians talk about white racism going on, on X against South Asians. Whites get the sense that all of society is getting fed up with them, not just their target (S. Asians).
Pan-Asianism can be very effective for this reason. I remember when E. Asian men and women were arguing on Twitter, and E. Asian feminists were attacking E. Asian men. Whenever E. Asian men would fight back, the E. Asian women would just laugh and continue using the same tired insults against them. But when S. Asians would speak up - they realized that their mischaracterization of E. Asian men wasn't appreciated even outside the community, they took a step back.
Yes the communities face differences in the racism we face- and we fight them all. That's how the community works. S Asians should fight for issues that affect E. Asians more- and we do. Try looking through our history. Look at how we fought "Mail Order Family" - a racist pilot against E. Asians- South Asians fought that too. Nothing about S. Asians here means E. Asians can't fight issues that affect them; they can, and also get backup.
I strongly suggest new members look through our history. We get people who want E. Asians or S. Asians to be isolated, chiming in on defeatist mentalities like "we can trust no one" -- such people are often losers in real life, totally isolated, and preach the same black pill gospel for the community- which we consistently reject.
Most of the criticism we get from AsianMasc are a small set of guys who were banned from here because they were usually sadistic types who raged against every minority group but whites. They attacked AF more than white racism; they attacked other Asians more than white racism etc.
The reason AI is feared by whites - hence the hit pieces in Slate and The Cut- is because we're effective. We're effective because we fight together against common enemies; compare this to those who preach defeatist isolation which 'feels good' but leads to impotence.
We're effective because of the decisions we've made in the past- part of who we are.
