Lifestyle Pessimistic philosophy thread

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Share philosophers with the bleakest, most depressing, most blackpilled views possible. I'm taking a complete rejection of life itself. Everything bad that could be possibly be conceptualised. I'll start with Schopenhauer
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This guy could only write when depressed and sleepless, and said that he always sided with the devil. He had a hobby of strolling through cemeteries and graveyards to question the meaninglessness of life. He believes in antinatalism, nihilism, and everything in between. "I am an accident. Why take it all so seriously?" Essentially, you didn't choose to be born but life's struggles are inexcusably painful, so death should be viewed as a relief.

Another guy who isn't exactly a pessimist but believed killing babies is justified and that most people are just tools is Max Sterner


Now in relation to African philosophy, most of the ones I come across (Ubuntu and Zara Yacob) are optimistic. Ubuntu believes that all people can get along so long as mutual aid and respect is maintained. Give and you shall receive pretty much. Zara Yacob believes that while religion is a scam, he still believes in God or some form of divine entity. Since this entity is meant to be understood as a good force, that means people are inherently good and only commit evil out of circumstances. In sharp contrast to these ideas we have afropessimism. Basically "to be black is to not be human"
 
Gurcel316

Gurcel316

Khazarcel
Apr 9, 2024
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There aren't many of those though. There's Cioran but he's a juvenile aphorist pretty much
 
Riddler

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NEET
Oct 18, 2023
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Stirner didn't say infanticide is necessarily justified, he was saying as an egoist that he thinks any action can be justified if it's in one's self interest

Philosophers are kind of aspie, they always obssesed with staying consistent in extreme examples like kant and the axe murderer story or David Hume and the billiard ball
 
rekamaður

rekamaður

That’s life
Apr 12, 2023
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Stirner didn't say infanticide is necessarily justified, he was saying as an egoist that he thinks any action can be justified if it's in one's self interest
This is kind of false because every action is in one's self interest by nature
The whole concept of an action being "justified" or not is flawed
 
Riddler

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Oct 18, 2023
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This is kind of false because every action is in one's self interest by nature
The whole concept of an action being "justified" or not is flawed
Kind of. But this is a big part of stirners work and basically his entire point

Yes. Everyone wants to act in one's self interest but people are moralized out of it. Stirner literally calls them "spooks"

Let's say you are can either stay home to care for your sickly parents or leave home and move to the city to seek a career you want

What is keeping you back? Perhaps a sense of duty. In this scenario a duty to your parents is a spook

Stirner basically calls everything a spook like how psl people call everything a cope. But spooks are social institutions keeping you back from egoism. They're basically ghosts

You would like stirner probably. He's inspired a ton of memes

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クーロ

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This is kind of false because every action is in one's self interest by nature
That's exactly his philosophy. He believes that people who do something for a greater good are "involuntary egoists" blind to the fact that they only do what they do to fulfill an inherently selfish desire. A voluntary egoist understands this and does the same actions without the feeling of a "greater good". He just does what he does. He rejects morality and sees that "good" actions are those done in total autonomy. Those you know are for your own goals but choose to pursue them anyway
 
RNT

RNT

Eternal Night
Aug 23, 2023
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German philosophy was obsessed with establishing truth rather than manifesting emotions. Shopenhauer was referring to Hinduist and Buddhist texts as "proof" of universality and correctness of his system. It is not a subculture and not literature, lmao.

French existentialist philosophy was more on art hoe movement and you will find them exploring stranger themes, often sexual deviatons - which sounds right up your alley. I would say try Albert Camus (ethnic moron tbh, but explicitly talks about suicide) or Georges Bataiile (very edgy guy obsessed with death, but not at all like depressed incels).
 
rekamaður

rekamaður

That’s life
Apr 12, 2023
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Kind of. But this is a big part of stirners work and basically his entire point

Yes. Everyone wants to act in one's self interest but people are moralized out of it. Stirner literally calls them "spooks"

Let's say you are can either stay home to care for your sickly parents or leave home and move to the city to seek a career you want

What is keeping you back? Perhaps a sense of duty. In this scenario a duty to your parents is a spook

Stirner basically calls everything a spook like how psl people call everything a cope. But spooks are social institutions keeping you back from egoism. They're basically ghosts

You would like stirner probably. He's inspired a ton of memes

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Yeah he has a very individualist philosophy I can agree with but I do have one problem with it
What your desires are are "spooks" too. Because the conscious aspect of you does not determine it, it's determined by countless of tiny features out of your control.
So you aren't truly following your own will if that makes sense. Schopenhauer said it best: "Man can do what he wills, but man can't will what he wills."
So by chasing your desires you're still being limited by an "institution" in some sort of way
 
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