Spirituality is LEGIT

[anon1822fourthacc]

'John of God' now faces 370 years in jail: How this 'faith healer' exploited and raped hundreds of believers

John of God is a self-styled Brazilian faith healer. His legacy of sexual crimes, abuse, deception, and child trafficking was unearthed in 2018. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

This guy promoted by this evil bitch







This is the tippy top of spirituality people, the best of the best

Idk I'll still suspend disbelief about spirituality for a while longer, so existentially bored, being logical and smart is so boring fuck I want schizo shit to be real

 

[hopelessAspieNEET]

You aren't logical or smart for being atheist. Every single tribe in the world had some belief in the divine or idolized things in some fashion. These kinds of stories aren't real, they're psyops to influence people's perceptions of believers. If you want to come close to the truth you're going to have to pray with genuineness and discard whatever constructs exist in your mind as of right now.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

You aren't logical or smart for being atheist. Every single tribe in the world had some belief in the divine or idolized things in some fashion. These kinds of stories aren't real, they're psyops to influence people's perceptions of believers. If you want to come close to the truth you're going to have to pray with genuineness and discard whatever constructs exist in your mind as of right now.

Are we talking about the same people that sacrificed virgins and shit?

 

[hopelessAspieNEET]

that's dogma

What's dogmatic about it? I'm not telling him to suspend disbelief but to do the exact opposite and stop believing in what's been taught to you by the system (atheism, evolution, "science", etc..). He's set on believing these things and thinks that because he doesn't believe and conform to them that he is some sort of a schizo or a dumb person associated with delusional feds on the internet. He says he wants to believe so I told him to start praying. If God shows up to him after prayer it can be evident to him that there is such thing, if he doesn't he can continue with what he does as of right now.

 

[Nameless_sunflower]

and discard whatever constructs exist in your mind as of right now.

not possible
you need Knowledge or Gnosis

We don't even know that we don't know anything
that's how deep in ignorance everyone is

all information (100% lies) and 0% knowledge

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

not possible
you need Knowledge or Gnosis

We don't even know that we don't know anything
that's how deep in ignorance everyone is

Yeah I agree, this is why I'm in this limbo of being an atheist and not an atheist at the same time. Can't know shit, there's no way to know. I thought that if I went full schizo and talked to demons at least I'd convince myself that spirits exist even if it turned out I was just schizo talking to tulpas. But I'm not even schizo enough to talk to demons lmao

 

[hopelessAspieNEET]

not possible
you need Knowledge or Gnosis

We don't even know that we don't know anything
that's how deep in ignorance everyone is

all information (100% lies) and 0% knowledge

There are some basic assumptions you can make. Like that you are a living human interacting with a physical environment, that you are sentient and that there are others just like you. It's not like you can truly prove anything in this world but you can make guesses that are probably true.

 

[Lain]

I heckin love schizophrenia would you like to talk about the Lord?

 

[Nameless_sunflower]

There are some basic assumptions you can make. Like that you are a living human interacting with a physical environment, that you are sentient and that there are others just like you. It's not like you can truly prove anything in this world but you can make guesses that are probably true.

we live in ignorance mode

We can't distinguish a firefly from the Sun
99% after death go towards LED light

 

[hopelessAspieNEET]

we live in ignorance mode

We can't distinguish a firefly from the Sun
99% after death go towards LED light

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Nameless_sunflower]

What the fuck are you talking about?

there simply isn't anyone with Knowledge
information given to us are false

you try to figure stuff out using data
the data you're gathering is incomplete at best

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

we live in ignorance mode

We can't distinguish a firefly from the Sun
99% after death go towards LED light

Yeah I heard that conspiracy theory of "not going into the light" cause it's reptilians or the illuminati or the Anunnaki or the Archons or whatever lmao

Schizo shit

 

[hopelessAspieNEET]

there simply isn't anyone with Knowledge
information given to us are false

you try to figure stuff out using data
the data you're gathering is incomplete at best

Yes, we're being lied to. What I said is true though. You can assume that you're a human that lives inside of a world of people just like you. I didn't say anything about data, I said to discard it and try to come to your own conclusions.

 

[Nameless_sunflower]

Yes, we're being lied to. What I said is true though. You can assume that you're a human that lives inside of a world of people just like you. I didn't say anything about data, I said to discard it and try to come to your own conclusions.

based on? assumptions?

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

based on? assumptions?

He's right, what he means is that Descartes' observation that “I think, therefore I am” is basically the only thing that we can know for sure. Other than that we can only draw our own conclusions.

Which is exactly why I've gotten into demons in the first place, the whole point of it was to communicate with something supernatural, like a God. I thought that by having this subjective experience of talking to demons I'd sort of prove to myself at least that atheism and materialism isn't all there is, and that spiritual things exist. Alas I've failed in obtaining any subjective experiences of spirits or whatnot.

 

[hopelessAspieNEET]

based on? assumptions?

Yeah, what else are you going to base it on? Connect things that make sense to you together and conclude on things that you find likely. It's the process of integration. You can safely ignore the fields of "science" and what you've been told.

 

[Nameless_sunflower]

He's right, what he means is that Descartes' observation that “I think, therefore I am” is basically the only thing that we can know for sure. Other than that we can only draw our own conclusions.

Which is exactly why I've gotten into demons in the first place, the whole point of it was to communicate with something supernatural, like a God. I thought that by having this subjective experience of talking to demons I'd sort of prove to myself at least that atheism and materialism isn't all there is, and that spiritual things exist. Alas I've failed in obtaining any subjective experiences of spirits or whatnot.

more assumption
how do you know the thoughts are your own?
what's "I"?

 

[KARENIN]

Oh this guy. I watched the Netflix documentary series about John of God and then read as many English news reports on him as I could find on Jewgle, the thing that stood out to me most is he faced zero medical malpractice or wrongful death suits. The entire controversy surrounding him centred on the rape and sexual harrassment allegations. I don't believe in his claim of divine powers (neither did many of his patients) but his success rate at "curing" terminal illnesses, or at least relieving the symptoms without drugs, is so phenomenal against all odds that his method should be studied by medical researchers.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Oh this guy. I watched the Netflix documentary series about John of God and then read as many English news reports on him as I could find on Jewgle, the thing that stood out to me most is he faced zero medical malpractice or wrongful death suits. The entire controversy surrounding him centred on the rape and sexual harrassment allegations. I don't believe in his claim of divine powers (neither did many of his patients) but his success rate at "curing" terminal illnesses, or at least relieving the symptoms without drugs, is so phenomenal against all odds that his method should be studied by medical researchers.

A little miracle over here, a little rape over there. Balances out. Many philosophies preach about balance, maybe rape was just his way of making sure he isn't too good for a person.

 

[KARENIN]

A little miracle over here, a little rape over there. Balances out. Many philosophies preach about balance, maybe rape was just his way of making sure he isn't too good for a person.

It's bloody bizarre, if he had stuck a pair of scissors up the nose of a bitch instead of sticking his dick in her, he would have been perfectly fine as far as the law is concerned. For more info search for this series on your favourite Russian streaming site.

Watch John of God: The Crimes of a Spiritual Healer | Netflix Official Site

Idolized medium João Teixeira de Faria rises to international fame before horrifying abuse is revealed by survivors, prosecutors and the press.

www.netflix.com

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

It's bloody bizarre, if he had stuck a pair of scissors up the nose of a bitch instead of sticking his dick in her, he would have been perfectly fine. For more info search for this series on your favourite Russian streaming site.

Watch John of God: The Crimes of a Spiritual Healer | Netflix Official Site

Idolized medium João Teixeira de Faria rises to international fame before horrifying abuse is revealed by survivors, prosecutors and the press.

www.netflix.com

Hell he could have probably told her his dick will heal her and it would've worked in like 20% of cases. But he had to get all the pussy he wanted. Might actually watch that, thanks! And currently my favorite streaming site is this one https://himovies.sx/home

 

[KARENIN]

Hell he could have probably told her his dick will heal her and it would've worked in like 20% of cases.

Kekekek he did tell her that and she didn't enjoy it because he's not Chad, so she cried rape. The rape allegations are suspicious af, most of the bitches just alleged being "sexually assaulted" when John took their hands and placed them over his dick aka the location of the seventh chakra or some shiet (Though if she touched his dick technically she's groping him.) Watch the documentary bro.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Kekekek he did tell her that and she didn't enjoy it because he's not Chad, so she cried rape. The rape allegations are suspicious af, most of the bitches just alleged being "sexually assaulted" when John took their hands and placed them over his dick aka the location of the seventh chakra or some shiet (Though if she touched his dick technically she's groping him.) Watch the documetary bro.

Oh shit I can totally see his POV right now. Probably started out as a dude like me until he found the perfect scam. If I understand his mentality correctly and I think I do, he probably never raped anyone. Just heavily implied that fucking him would be very good for them and not fucking him could make their sickness worse.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Kekekek he did tell her that and she didn't enjoy it because he's not Chad, so she cried rape. The rape allegations are suspicious af, most of the bitches just alleged being "sexually assaulted" when John took their hands and placed them over his dick aka the location of the seventh chakra or some shiet (Though if she touched his dick technically she's groping him.) Watch the documentary bro.

I'm watching this right now. Crazy that normies actually believe in this shit. I mean I know I'm the dude talking about demons and shit but how do people accept that all of this is real so easily? I'm fucking 9 months into talking to demons and shit and I'm still leaning onto the side that it's all fucking bogus, but people are like "nope let's take a bus to get healed by some dude in a short sleeve shirt".

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Uh yeah maybe I should have watched for more than 2 minutes before commenting lmao. They actually let themselves get cut by this freak? Lmaooo nah poor people I feel sorry for them bro what the hell, probably in a super desperate situation I really feel bad for these stupid people

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Ok note to self if I ever start this kind of scam: take Pence's approach and never go into a room alone with a female follower.

 

[KARENIN]

Oh shit I can totally see his POV right now. Probably started out as a dude like me until he found the perfect scam. If I understand his mentality correctly and I think I do, he probably never raped anyone. Just heavily implied that fucking him would be very good for them and not fucking him could make their sickness worse.

I heavily suspect that it wasn't entirely a scam, and that John did possess some special surgical knowledge of curing serious illnesses or stumbled upon some technique that hasn't been formalised by medical science yet. The bitches complaining about him were a vanishingly tiny proportion of people he treated, and notice they complained about being sexually assaulted by him, not that he failed to cure whatever medical problem they initially approached him for He wasn't ye average charismatic cult leader with a harem, he "cured" equal numbers of men and women and did open heart surgery with a rusty knife on a dude that actually fucking worked (mentioned in the documentary).

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

I heavily suspect that it wasn't entirely a scam, and that John did possess some special surgical knowledge of curing serious illnesses or stumbled upon some technique that hasn't been formalised by medical science yet. The bitches complaining about him were a vanishingly tiny proportion of people he treated, and notice they complained about being sexually assaulted by him, not that he failed to cure whatever medical problem they initially approached him for He wasn't ye average charismatic cult leader with a harem, he "cured" equal numbers of men and women and did open heart surgery with a rusty knife on a dude that actually fucking worked (mentioned in the documentary).

I think in 90% of cases what's healing people is the extreme confidence (I don't want to use the word faith I hate that concept) that what has been performed on them is an actual act of healing, and so they get better cause now they're in a very positive and confident mindset. Although I can't explain the ones where they immediately feel better, like right away. Probably plants idk.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Placebo effect

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

The reason the rusty knife open heart surgery worked is because of placebo

Makes more sense than the power of Christ xD

 

[KARENIN]

I think in 90% of cases what's healing people is the extreme confidence (I don't want to use the word faith I hate that concept) that what has been performed on them is an actual act of healing, and so they get better cause now they're in a very positive and confident mindset. Although I can't explain the ones where they immediately feel better, like right away. Probably plants idk.

Yeah but he was literally sticking sharp objects in people, sometimes without asking And it doesn't look like he made his patients sign no-liability agreements either. (Not that that can protect against scandal if people actually die.) Given the sheer volume of people he "treated" with his cartoon violence methods, there should have been at least a few disgruntled failed cases or their distraught family members who'd want to have him prosecuted for "grievous bodily harm". But nada, none, all the lawsuits are related to the sex "crimes".

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

Yeah but he was literally sticking sharp objects in people, sometimes without asking And it doesn't look like he made his patients sign no-liability agreements either. (Not that that can protect against scandal if people actually die.) Given the sheer volume of people he "treated" with his cartoon violence methods, there should have been at least a few disgruntled failed cases or their distraught family members who'd want to have him prosecuted for "grievous bodily harm". But nada, none, all the lawsuits are related to the sex "crimes".

Can we attribute this to culture? Like what if Brazilians are so religious and deferent to authority, that the cases that did fail were sort of self-censored cause they wouldn't dare bring shame and anger upon their family from the rest of the community that is very religious by insulting the great prophet healer by saying he failed?

Idk just spitballing the first idea that came to mind, not based in reality.

 

[KARENIN]

Can we attribute this to culture? Like what if Brazilians are so religious and deferent to authority, that the cases that did fail were sort of self-censored cause they wouldn't dare bring shame and anger upon their family from the rest of the community that is very religious by insulting the great prophet healer by saying he failed?

Idk just spitballing the first idea that came to mind, not based in reality.

His clientele became international as his fame spread and there were still no malpractice suits though.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

His clientele became international as his fame spread and there were still no malpractice suits though.

Hmm I'm watching right now.

The number of people he "healed" is just way too big for them to be paid actors in order to increase his fame. Can't explain it.

I really really don't buy it that he performed miracles. Nor do I think he had some secret scientific knowledge to help treat them.

So what's happening here hmmm. Placebo isn't that strong, he's treating cancer and Multiple Sclerosis and people who can't walk and shit.

Hmm hmm. What is the logical explanation here hmm.

 

[KARENIN]

Hmm I'm watching right now.

The number of people he "healed" is just way too big for them to be paid actors in order to increase his fame. Can't explain it.

I really really don't buy it that he performed miracles. Nor do I think he had some secret scientific knowledge to help treat them.

So what's happening here hmmm. Placebo isn't that strong, he's treating cancer and Multiple Sclerosis and people who can't walk and shit.

Hmm hmm. What is the logical explanation here hmm.

I watched the documentary with Soviet atheist dad and it stumped both of us kek. Afterwards I did some Jewgling and found an article that briefly mentioned the case of a minor celeb who did die from cancer 7 years after allegedly being "healed" by John, so my hypothesis is he slightly damaged a person's frontal lobe/other key nervous component when he stuck scissors up their nose, and inhibited their ability to feel pain from their disease or something like that. Most cancer patients don't live 7 years with chemo treatment though.

"But what about the ones who give up conventional care to go this route because they believe it to be more effective? Like South African singer Lisa Melman, who refused breast cancer surgery to be treated by John in 2005 and appeared on Oprah Winfrey’s show singing his praises. Unfortunately, in 2012 she stopped singing forever, succumbing to the disease of which she was supposedly cured.

In an ironic twist, in 2015 John of God complained of a pain in the stomach to his cardiologist. Yes, the medium who claims wondrous healing powers has a cardiologist who without fanfare years earlier had implanted three stents in John’s narrowed arteries. Now he sent his patient for an endoscopy that revealed a tumour. A 10-hour surgery, not the spiritual variety, was followed by extensive chemotherapy. A year later, John appears to be well, cured not by mumbo jumbo, but by modern surgery and drugs. No problem affording the treatment. John is wealthy from donations and sales of blessed water and magic triangles.

When asked why he did not heal himself the way he is able to heal others, he replied with the stunning rhetorical question, “what barber cuts his own hair?”

https://montrealgazette.com/opinion...john-of-god-leads-cancer-patients-by-the-nose

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

His clientele became international as his fame spread and there were still no malpractice suits though.

Could it be a filtering system? Like, let's say he had a system, so those cases that would be problematic and could end in a lawsuit he would just give them a tap and not cut them or anything. Thus not giving them any cause for a lawsuit. Even if they weren't cured, it's not like they'd sue him for not curing them. We simply don't hear about those cases anymore. And those that did get better are so ecstatic that they spread the word loud and proud. So the failures go quiet and the placebo effects are very loud.

Doesn't explain the extreme cases like the tumors and the guy he fucking cut open with a rusty saw. Paid actors? But then why would his wife be in the documentary all these years later, saying how they went to the doctor afterwards and the doctor said it was like he had a different heart. And no anesthesia either can't explain that.

Hmm.

 

[Unemployed]

Can't know shit, there's no way to know.

And that's what Christianity is all about.

It's very Socratic. You know that you don't know.

Science is all good. But it will never get you to the truth.

The best it can do is to lead you closer to it.

We never know what's the distance between our current scientific beliefs, and the ultimate truth.

These are not my thoughts. I've read Karl Popper in school.

He's know for his philosophy of science.

He was the first one to identify pseudo science.

He gave us the scientific method students in the uni are supposed to follow.

Karl Popper - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mean look how often we change our laws of physics.

We had Newton, then Einstein, and now who knows who.

So us Christians should never get too cocky.

Be humble and remember that the world is always too great for us to fully understand.

A man will always be prone to errors when he believes to know something 1000 %.

You can never prove that God doesn't exist. Just like you can't never prove we don't live in a simulation.

Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The best we can do is to put our faith in God. And trust the word of God.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

I watched the documentary with Soviet atheist dad and it stumped both of us kek. Afterwards I did some Jewgling and found an article that briefly mentioned the case of a minor celeb who did die from cancer 7 years after allegedly being "healed" by John, so my hypothesis is he slightly damaged a person's frontal lobe/other key nervous component when he stuck scissors up their nose, and inhibited their ability to feel pain from their disease or something like that. Most cancer patients don't live 7 years with chemo treatment though.

Ok I think I figured it out.

It is a sort of filtering system but it's more like self-filtering.

To go to a healer in the first place means you believe in this stupid shit. They also tell you to take pills and like infuse them with intent and energy, so anyone who believes in this sort of crazy shit obviously won't sue, they're out of their fucking mind if they believe in something like this so not the suing type.

Secondly, there's another set of filtering. So those who come are already self-filtered, they're the gullible people who believe in this shit. But now they filter them again (they handed out cards like according to urgency and shit). They didn't perform surgeries on everyone right? So to some they just tap them or hold them or whatever, and some get surgeries.

Well, the final filtering is according to the result. Most people that get "cured' probably didn't have anything too immediately obvious. So if placebo cures them in 40 days or whatever, then boom they become loud followers that spread the word. Some also fucking die, but they can attribute that to the illness, not that he personally killed them. And if the healing failed then whatever, not like the word will spread as far as the successes, the "miracles". And also there are mechanisms in place where some will blame themselves "oh we didn't believe hard enough, oh we didn't go in time" etc...

Now to the crazy shit like cutting the guy open. He was a fucking dead man anyway. He was done, finished. The doctors said that too. Cut open 100 guys like him, 99 die. But they won't die right then and there, they'll die in like 2 months cause of their disease anyway.

1 of them will survive. Will just recover naturally cause hey, shit happens. Would've been cured with or without this crazy shit. But hoooly shit they'll attribute it to the crazy fucking healer and will forever spread his word and make him famous.

I think that explains it.

 

[Nuke]

dnrd this thread but your initial comment is something I thought about before I really considered the spiritual world in a mature way.
everyone wants to say that the world we live in is purely material and stuff yet human beings have the ability to visualise things that arent there, speak inside their own minds and hear music.

when they take drugs, these abilities become so enhanced that it can even take you out of what is normally percieved as normal into a place where it is totally alien and you might as well have died and went to some kind of afterlife.

All of these things occur daily and yet because God hasnt come back in the flesh since jesus times or whatever ( i really don't know what people are expecting) they don't believe in God or the spirit.

The last place people look is right in front of them
The even laster place people look is inside of them. If you are reading this comment with your voice and yet not speaking then what the fuck is speaking? It's your soul of course.

 

[Lordgoro]

What's dogmatic about it? I'm not telling him to suspend disbelief but to do the exact opposite and stop believing in what's been taught to you by the system (atheism, evolution, "science", etc..). He's set on believing these things and thinks that because he doesn't believe and conform to them that he is some sort of a schizo or a dumb person associated with delusional feds on the internet. He says he wants to believe so I told him to start praying. If God shows up to him after prayer it can be evident to him that there is such thing, if he doesn't he can continue with what he does as of right now.