The reason why I was fascinated with climbing ranks in League of Legends: if you can learn how to do that, you can learn ANYTHING in life

[anon1822fourthacc]

There are millions of people trying to climb in League of Legends. But only around 1% or even less make it to Masters. I myself was stuck in Silver for years, which is far from even Diamond or Platinum.

I took it as a personal slight. Almost like I was low IQ for not being able to climb.

But I talked to a lot of people about it, and it confirmed by previous theory. Climbing is all about being able to evolve. It's not about intelligence, it's about learning lessons. Analyzing, reevaluating what you know, constantly taking in new information, changing your mental picture.

And you know what else this applies to? Mastering any skills, such as business. Making money. Anything worth a damn in this life.

Millions of very intelligent and hardworking people fail at business, trying to climb the ranks of wealth (does this sentence sound familiar?). And yet very few make it. Sometimes even people who seem like morons make it even though geniuses fail. It's all about constantly evolving. Learning the skill. Discarding false assumptions and learning new info. Not resting in your comfort zone but pushing yourself to learn and know exactly how everything works.

In a way, the reason why I was stuck in Silver is the same why I'm stuck in life. I don't push out of the comfort zone, I just mindlessly go through my day (like spamming games without thinking in LoL).

P.S: JUST like I did in World of Warcraft or Runescape. People would make millions of gold with their trading. Meanwhile I simply went out and farmed for 12 hours a day. Hardcore, stupid, dumb farming. Cause I like being comfy and not thinking. What a hilarious trait .

 

[Nameless_sunflower]

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

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Is that the raw meat guy?

 

[Haruhi Suzumiya]

you can't just put hours into a game and expect to be in the 1% of said game players, top gamers are natural gifted, that's why you see them being high in leaderboards of multiple games often, sure hard work will improve your skills but you either got it or not, otherwise you waste your time improving your non existing skills.

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

you can't just put hours into a game and expect to be in the 1% of said game players, top gamers are natural gifted, that's why you see them being high in leaderboards of multiple games often, sure hard work will improve your skills but you either got it or not, otherwise you waste your time improving your non existing skills.

That's true for the 0.1%. Maybe even for the 1%, you may be right. But I talked to a lot of people about this. You can make it very very far even if you suck at a game and are old,, it just takes CONSTANT learning. Constant evolution, practice, and most importantly never getting into a comfort zone. Pushing yourself, that's the important part. Learning stuff that makes your brain want to do something else.

 

[Looksmax Refugee]

It's over if you can't pull some Light Yagami shit in real life

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

Try rock climbing

 

[incelkingkong]

mechanics 1000x > macro till challenger in that game

 

[BlackOps2Enjoyer1]

Cringe, climbing ranks in league it's easy

 

[bloomedwengts]

league is a very bad example because you can one trick a champ and role all the way to high elo so it rewards spergs who are fine doing that rather than enjoying the game more holistically

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

league is a very bad example because you can one trick a champ and role all the way to high elo so it rewards spergs who are fine doing that rather than enjoying the game more holistically

Man I tried onetricking this season and somehow I ended up playing like 30 different champions in ranked anyway. It's just IMPOSSIBLE to stick to 2-3 champions, impossible. Who the fuck has that kind of discipline in a fucking video game?

 

[incelkingkong]

league is a very bad example because you can one trick a champ and role all the way to high elo so it rewards spergs who are fine doing that rather than enjoying the game more holistically

plenty of onetricks hardstuck, all it does it allow u to reach ur skillcap faster because of less variance in games

 

[NotSTYX]

I made it consistently to Diamond 1 over multiple seasons, peaking Masters 100 LP, while playing mindlessly. Spamming games without thinking is literally how I got to that rank. It is because I couldn't discipline myself to adapt and learn that I couldn't climb any higher than that. So higher than Diamond 1 is where I actually had to put in effort to climb. Also, by Diamond 1 I am also referring to around 0.1% of the ranked playerbase as it was in season 7-8. Diamond 1 now is top 1%. My rank fluctuated between 5000-2000. I remember having far less ranked games played compared to basically every other player I played with or against. I stopped playing LoL in season 9 but I am slowly picking it back up again.

You are not low I.Q. for being unable to climb. You are average I.Q. Silver is average. Being able to evolve rests on your I.Q, both in capacity and willingness. Even if you put in 10x effort than I did, it is unlikely if not outright impossible that you would have reached my rank.

You basically state that I.Q. is irrelevant whilst then proceeding to state facets of I.Q. as what you need to improve/succeed.

Also, as to relate to your social example. LoL success is very different from real life success. In fact, LoL is a very g-loaded game. Real life success is far more dependant on factors such as: effort, social skills, connections, luck, attractiveness, charisma, amorality. All of these are essentially irrelevant for climbing in LoL. If anything, this demonstrates that in LoL you are where you belong with those factors stripped away. Even if you put in effort and reach your limits, you will not even achieve the baseline of myself fucking around in LoL. That is the cognitive limitations of intelligence in a highly g-loaded setting. Whilst you can't change your intelligence, this does nevertheless suggest that you may be able to achieve success if you acquire or improve the factors I listed above.

A real life example: I never studied, was bored and didn't learn much from classes in school. Yet in secondary school, I was accelerated multiple years for every subject, even 6 years for one. This was not because of my effort. It's inborn ability. Even if effort was a part of it, it was because I had no difficulty exerting that effort.

I have rarely if ever put in conscious effort for anything in my life, I believe it to be far less than the average person. To some extent this may be objective, to some extent it may be due to considering things effortless for me as effort to others. Nevertheless, it's inborn ability.

You also do not seem to differentiate between theoretical and practical learning, e.g. mathematics vs business. Theoretical will always be limited by I.Q. both quantitatively and qualitatively. Certain subjects you may be able to learn in theory, but the amount of learning you would have to do would exceed your lifespan (quantitative). On the other hand, there are subjects which you will never grasp no matter the duration of learning (qualitative).

 

[incelkingkong]

I made it consistently to Diamond 1 over multiple seasons, peaking Masters 100 LP, while playing mindlessly. Spamming games without thinking is literally how I got to that rank. It is because I couldn't discipline myself to adapt and learn that I couldn't climb any higher than that. So higher than Diamond 1 is where I actually had to put in effort to climb. Also, by Diamond 1 I am also referring to around 0.1% of the ranked playerbase as it was in season 7-8. Diamond 1 now is top 1%. My rank fluctuated between 5000-2000. I remember having far less ranked games played compared to basically every other player I played with or against. I stopped playing LoL in season 9 but I am slowly picking it back up again.

You are not low I.Q. for being unable to climb. You are average I.Q. Silver is average. Being able to evolve rests on your I.Q, both in capacity and willingness. Even if you put in 10x effort than I did, it is unlikely if not outright impossible that you would have reached my rank.

You basically state that I.Q. is irrelevant whilst then proceeding to state facets of I.Q. as what you need to improve/succeed.

Also, as to relate to your social example. LoL success is very different from real life success. In fact, LoL is a very g-loaded game. Real life success is far more dependant on factors such as: effort, social skills, connections, luck, attractiveness, charisma, amorality. All of these are essentially irrelevant for climbing in LoL. If anything, this demonstrates that in LoL you are where you belong with those factors stripped away. Even if you put in effort and reach your limits, you will not even achieve the baseline of myself fucking around in LoL. That is the cognitive limitations of intelligence in a highly g-loaded setting. Whilst you can't change your intelligence, this does nevertheless suggest that you may be able to achieve success if you acquire or improve the factors I listed above.

A real life example: I never studied, was bored and didn't learn much from classes in school. Yet in secondary school, I was accelerated multiple years for every subject, even 6 years for one. This was not because of my effort. It's inborn ability. Even if effort was a part of it, it was because I had no difficulty exerting that effort.

I have rarely if ever put in conscious effort for anything in my life, I believe it to be far less than the average person. To some extent this may be objective, to some extent it may be due to considering things effortless for me as effort to others. Nevertheless, it's inborn ability.

You also do not seem to differentiate between theoretical and practical learning, e.g. mathematics vs business. Theoretical will always be limited by I.Q. both quantitatively and qualitatively. Certain subjects you may be able to learn in theory, but the amount of learning you would have to do would exceed your lifespan (quantitative). On the other hand, there are subjects which you will never grasp no matter the duration of learning (qualitative).

semi-accurate post even if it reads like /r/iamverysmart. 2 statements tho
1. league is very "g loaded" yes, that doesnt mean u cant reach high elo through other facets of the game (mostly through having good mechanics and being a onetrick), especially 5000-2000
2. what server (not that it takes away from your points, just semi curious)

 

[NotSTYX]

semi-accurate post even if it reads like /r/iamverysmart. 2 statements tho
1. league is very "g loaded" yes, that doesnt mean u cant reach high elo through other facets of the game (mostly through having good mechanics and being a onetrick), especially 5000-2000
2. what server

Every post/reply I will make or have made will sound as such, as due to my Asperger's I have zero empathy, therefore zero motivation and capacity to appear socially acceptable.

Do you believe mechanics to be reliant on reflexes? If so, empirical data shows that reflexes correlate with I.Q. Regardless, I don't believe mechanics to be separate enough from I.Q. to be able to reach such high rank solely based on them. Even if they are, it would be the exception rather than the rule.

EUW.

 

[incelkingkong]

Every post/reply I will make or have made will sound as such, as due to my Asperger's I have zero empathy, therefore zero motivation and capacity to appear socially acceptable.

Do you believe mechanics to be reliant on reflexes? If so, empirical data shows that reflexes correlate with I.Q. Regardless, I don't believe mechanics to be separate enough from I.Q. to be able to reach such high rank solely based on them. Even if they are, it would be the exception rather than the rule.

EUW.

>Do you believe mechanics to be reliant on reflexes? If so, empirical data shows that reflexes correlate with I.Q. Regardless, I don't believe mechanics to be separate enough from I.Q. to be able to reach such high rank solely based on them. Even if they are, it would be the exception rather than the rule.

depends on what u play tbh but it helps with everything. think they're both really important (g load and mechanics), for e.g if ure below average intelligence but have insane reflexes mouse precision etc u can still make it to top 2000 for sure if u play adc for example. on the other hand, if ure smart (not even "very smart") but handless u can still make it to the same 2000 if u play sejuani zac malphite, well any low mechanic load champs. think mechanics have actually become more important the longer game goes on, cause playerbase keeps getting better at the game as a whole, and the whole game has become also faster, more dmg, shorter games etc. but obv if you're really smart u still have an insane advantage, the same way if u have insane hands u can shit on ppl in lane a lot of times and just win the game through with that

well basically everything matters (hands and iq), both things you cant improve at all tho as u said (qualitative)

 

[anon1822fourthacc]

I made it consistently to Diamond 1 over multiple seasons, peaking Masters 100 LP, while playing mindlessly. Spamming games without thinking is literally how I got to that rank. It is because I couldn't discipline myself to adapt and learn that I couldn't climb any higher than that. So higher than Diamond 1 is where I actually had to put in effort to climb. Also, by Diamond 1 I am also referring to around 0.1% of the ranked playerbase as it was in season 7-8. Diamond 1 now is top 1%. My rank fluctuated between 5000-2000. I remember having far less ranked games played compared to basically every other player I played with or against. I stopped playing LoL in season 9 but I am slowly picking it back up again.

You are not low I.Q. for being unable to climb. You are average I.Q. Silver is average. Being able to evolve rests on your I.Q, both in capacity and willingness. Even if you put in 10x effort than I did, it is unlikely if not outright impossible that you would have reached my rank.

You basically state that I.Q. is irrelevant whilst then proceeding to state facets of I.Q. as what you need to improve/succeed.

Also, as to relate to your social example. LoL success is very different from real life success. In fact, LoL is a very g-loaded game. Real life success is far more dependant on factors such as: effort, social skills, connections, luck, attractiveness, charisma, amorality. All of these are essentially irrelevant for climbing in LoL. If anything, this demonstrates that in LoL you are where you belong with those factors stripped away. Even if you put in effort and reach your limits, you will not even achieve the baseline of myself fucking around in LoL. That is the cognitive limitations of intelligence in a highly g-loaded setting. Whilst you can't change your intelligence, this does nevertheless suggest that you may be able to achieve success if you acquire or improve the factors I listed above.

A real life example: I never studied, was bored and didn't learn much from classes in school. Yet in secondary school, I was accelerated multiple years for every subject, even 6 years for one. This was not because of my effort. It's inborn ability. Even if effort was a part of it, it was because I had no difficulty exerting that effort.

I have rarely if ever put in conscious effort for anything in my life, I believe it to be far less than the average person. To some extent this may be objective, to some extent it may be due to considering things effortless for me as effort to others. Nevertheless, it's inborn ability.

You also do not seem to differentiate between theoretical and practical learning, e.g. mathematics vs business. Theoretical will always be limited by I.Q. both quantitatively and qualitatively. Certain subjects you may be able to learn in theory, but the amount of learning you would have to do would exceed your lifespan (quantitative). On the other hand, there are subjects which you will never grasp no matter the duration of learning (qualitative).

Fantastic post, I agree entirely. I am limited by my IQ, and I damaged it so much by drinking and rotting that my working memory, spatial reasoning and all that have been damaged so massively I am basically a retard.

 

[uglyboi1]

I made it consistently to Diamond 1 over multiple seasons, peaking Masters 100 LP, while playing mindlessly. Spamming games without thinking is literally how I got to that rank. It is because I couldn't discipline myself to adapt and learn that I couldn't climb any higher than that. So higher than Diamond 1 is where I actually had to put in effort to climb. Also, by Diamond 1 I am also referring to around 0.1% of the ranked playerbase as it was in season 7-8. Diamond 1 now is top 1%. My rank fluctuated between 5000-2000. I remember having far less ranked games played compared to basically every other player I played with or against. I stopped playing LoL in season 9 but I am slowly picking it back up again.

You are not low I.Q. for being unable to climb. You are average I.Q. Silver is average. Being able to evolve rests on your I.Q, both in capacity and willingness. Even if you put in 10x effort than I did, it is unlikely if not outright impossible that you would have reached my rank.

You basically state that I.Q. is irrelevant whilst then proceeding to state facets of I.Q. as what you need to improve/succeed.

Also, as to relate to your social example. LoL success is very different from real life success. In fact, LoL is a very g-loaded game. Real life success is far more dependant on factors such as: effort, social skills, connections, luck, attractiveness, charisma, amorality. All of these are essentially irrelevant for climbing in LoL. If anything, this demonstrates that in LoL you are where you belong with those factors stripped away. Even if you put in effort and reach your limits, you will not even achieve the baseline of myself fucking around in LoL. That is the cognitive limitations of intelligence in a highly g-loaded setting. Whilst you can't change your intelligence, this does nevertheless suggest that you may be able to achieve success if you acquire or improve the factors I listed above.

A real life example: I never studied, was bored and didn't learn much from classes in school. Yet in secondary school, I was accelerated multiple years for every subject, even 6 years for one. This was not because of my effort. It's inborn ability. Even if effort was a part of it, it was because I had no difficulty exerting that effort.

I have rarely if ever put in conscious effort for anything in my life, I believe it to be far less than the average person. To some extent this may be objective, to some extent it may be due to considering things effortless for me as effort to others. Nevertheless, it's inborn ability.

You also do not seem to differentiate between theoretical and practical learning, e.g. mathematics vs business. Theoretical will always be limited by I.Q. both quantitatively and qualitatively. Certain subjects you may be able to learn in theory, but the amount of learning you would have to do would exceed your lifespan (quantitative). On the other hand, there are subjects which you will never grasp no matter the duration of learning (qualitative).

What's your thoughts on mechanics vs macro and IQ etc? I would say mechanics triumph over macro almost every time.

 

[NotSTYX]

What's your thoughts on mechanics vs macro and IQ etc? I would say mechanics triumph over macro almost every time.

Well I remember telling someone this: I sometimes faced better mechanically skilled player in D5 (1% at the time) than in D2-D1 (~0.1% at the time). Even so, the latter would stomp with the former because of better macro. I couldn't climb higher than D1 not because of my mechanics, but because I lacked consistency in my macro. Whenever I was ahead I was impatient and would go for poor plays and when behind I'd often give up even if it wasn't over. I once faced MagiFelix in lane, he was Rank 1 at the time, and I slightly lost lane, by around one kill, but still won because I had a better team. I did have to focus a lot harder laning against him, because at his skill level he has extreme mechanics and macro. Even then the lead he got was due to my inconsistent macro, as I pathed greedily from river back to lane...