Discussion The'res somenthin wrong with y'all and imma fix it - in. this. thread.



Look away, creep!
May 28, 2023
BLASPHEMY! - SHAME ON YOU @NekoRightsActivist

Diz come to my attenshun that all a'yas in the dark on diz most grave maette 'ere: Disrepect of the mighty DOnald
yo got niggas openly blasphemin the mos' beloved donald duck, mah heart of hearts :(

@NekoRightsActivist - dis nigga been made completely apathetic to de izzue at hend by the powes that bee
so, ive tekn it upon meself to wrete this instructional for the great education of u fine folks

here goes:

Before we can muster the necessary understanding to grasp the most rudimentary aspects of the Donald Duck phenomenon as it emerged out of the troubled period now known to modern historians as "the great depression," we must fist investigate the cultural milieus at the time, the economic charta of the neo-american empire in its bloom and doom of the inter-war period.

Our inquiry takes us first to a small farm in rural America, where soon the birth of a legendary figure shall take place. His name: "Carl Barks." Carl was a studios little child, full of curiosity and of a splendid and joyful spirit. However, his flourishing intellect was only hampered by his meager upbringing on an impoverished farm business. Many years later, in a Television interview recorded for broadcast in Finland, he recounts how he had to labor under the most dire conditions, even as a child. Particularly he says of himself that every time he came home from the field before the light was fully gone, he would be sent back to work more.

He then connects this experience with this tremendous work ethic, which turned out to be a key ingredient to his later success as an employee in Walt Disney's animation, and then comic departments. But alas, let us not jump ahead for now.
The young Carl soon developed an aptitude for drawing and storytelling. As it was common in these days, he bought a subscription for a cartoon drawing course in a newspaper. The way it worked was this: They would send you a letter, you would put the money in and then they would send you the course materials, bit by bit.

Thus educated, the young tyke eventually decided to make the big jump and attempt to become a full time cartoonist. He succeeded. Walt Disney, that old coon, hired the young Barks as an in-betweener in his Animation works at the Disney facility. Now, what is an in-betweener? Chiefly put, an in-betweener is what a factory line worker is to an engineer. In essence, an animation breaks down into individual frames that are played in sequence. Each frame has to be hand drafted. Since full fledged animation requires a minimum of 24 frames per second, the amount of work needed is overwhelming.

Side note: Employees of Tex Avery, the famous Warner Bros animation study that was responsible for the creation of such animated characters as Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd, said that it took them an astonishing six months to produce an average of five minutes of animation. Their budget was of course much diminished compared to what Walt Disney had available between 1920 and 1940.

To come back to the animation process, it takes 24 hand drawn frames to produce one meager second of animation. Naturally, the work was outsourced and delegated to multiple people. These include from top to bottom in terms of their operational hierarchy:
1. Key Animators (names that may be familar: Milt Kahl, Art Babbitt)
2. In-betweeners
3. Cleaners
Essentially, the key animators form the thinking portion of the team. They are tasked with creating new character designs and drawing the so called key-frames, the most essential and expressive moments of motion that are happening on screen. Their respective assistants then, the "in-betweeners," fill the spaces between the key-frames with transition movements.
There is much more to explore here, like the history of the development and technology behind hand drawn animation, but let us not digress.

Now that you understand what an in-betweener is, you also understand what Carl Barks primary occupation at Disney looked like. Long days of drawing fame after frame of small incremental changes in animation. It was tedious and mind numbing work. So Carl asked for a transfer to the comic department. It was granted and he soon found himself working at a desk in an open office space, surrounded by other goofy cartoonists. However, he felt that he did not fit in with this crowd.

According to later interviews, he felt alienated. These cartoonists, he said, they treated it as a job, it was a loveless thing, devoid of passion. For instance he describes how they would just draw the faces of the characters based on templates. Always the same facial expressions, always the same drudgery. Carl detested this. He said of himself that he always tried to make each face unique, each expression standalone. He labored hour upon hour on his drawings, even on his story lines.

One of his primary driving motivations behinds this was, as he states, that he wanted to give children of the great depression "their moneys worth" when they bought his comics. Recall that he grew up impoverished and most likely felt sympathetic towards children of that era.

Eventually, he could not take it anymore and asked for a final transfer. He asked to be allowed to work from home. Again, it was granted. This proofed to be a tremendously impactful event in his career. At home, Carl Barks could be himself. He began indulging himself in his work to a marvelous extend. For instance, he was a subscriber of national geographic magazine and would make constant use of historical themes and imagery in his work. His comics transcended the boundaries of the other Donald Duck comics put out at the time by miles. He included themes of ancient sumeria, egypt, rome. There were stories about greed, lust, human potential lost, intermingled with quotes from Shakespeare and other literary greats.

This went on for a quite some time and readers of Disney Comics began to take note. At the time, Disney did now allow artists to sign their work. This meant that nobody could identify Carl Barks. But by golly, could they identify him by his works! His comics became so recognizable as the handiwork of the master that he became simply known as "the good artist." Nobody knew his name, they only knew that his comics were the best.

Besides the phenomenal artwork and storytelling, another striking feature of Barks Comics is his inclusion of political themes, satire and also auto-biographical elements. Study of his personal life reveals a troubled history of marriage and divorce, many failed projects such as running a chicken farm and so forth. The character of Donald Duck is as much a reflection of the time he was created in as he is a reflection of Barks himself, a troubled but earnest man who believed in the good in people.

Compared to other Disney Characters like Mickey Mouse, the characters created by Carl Barks are real people. They are relatable. They suffer, the cry, they get angry. They are human. This is a fundamental reason for why they connected with so many people during the great depression.

This is is further confirmed by the fact that Donald Duck comics hugely fell out of favor the very moment the american economy recovered in the post war period. Barks tells us that he would walk to the stores and just see stacks of unsold Donald Duck comics being trashed and he could not understand why he was still employed and who on earth was buying his comics. Superhero comics had begun taking over. America could no longer identify with the down trodden but good natured looser that is Donald Duck.
Now, funnily enough, this tells us another somewhat quirky side of Barks character: He was American. In his mind, the world outside America was nigh insignificant.

So it never occurred to him that even though the United States had largely recovered from the pre-war and inter-war periods, there was another place that was in ashes and ruins now: Europe.
While Barks was wondering about who on earth was buying his comics, Donald Duck was taking over Europe. From Italy in the south to Finland in the north, Donald Duck was ubiquitous. Translations were made everywhere. The lost generation of the second world war saw themselves in this Character, his depression, his rage, his antics. He became a national icon, in particular in Finland, where it became customary for decades to buy a Donald Duck magazine subscription for every newborn child.

Barks, grown older and a bit weary, slowly withdrew from the comic business. His later stories lack the lush detail and energy of his earlier work. He began painting in oil and entered a long, drawn out semi-retirement until his death at the age of ninety-nine in the year 2000.

As one can see already, the story of Donald Duck far out triumphs the story of Mickey Mouse, who is nothing but an obnoxious twat, devoid of humanity, devoid of relatability. Nobody likes Mickey. He is an Arse, a pompous fool.

We are far from the end of our story though.
Between 1950 and 1999, when Carl Barks died, Donald Duck and pretty much the entire cast of Characters invented and invigorated with such beautiful life by Carl Barks, experienced a renaissance. Collectors sprung up. The cultural revolution of the 70s also created a vacuum of Americana and among enthusiasts, a fervent search for materials of the golden age of America began. Though Barks never really connected with these movements, he was a simple man, he always embraced them with his usual warm demeanor. He even left the States a few times, visited Finland, allowed himself to be recorded for television and the like.

It is at this point that another man enters the picture: Don Rosa.
Don Rosa, not altogether identical with Barks but in large parts of a similar temperament, would soon show himself to be the only Duck Artist ever worthy of being called equal to Barks. Though not related by blood, he was Barks son in spirit.

Don Rosa did not grow up on a farm, but he was the son of Italian immigrants that came to the States in the early 1900s. He was imbued with the same obsessive work ethic as Barks and never experienced anything like a holiday or vacation. When he was not studying for school, he was working his parents concrete business.
Don Rosa started out as a child in the 50s, reading his sisters comics. This was his first exposure to Barks Donald Duck stories. Rosa later went onto study engineering and became a draftsman. While at University, he participated in a student newspaper as a cartoonist. His main comic work here is known as "captain kentucky."
These are stories about a freckle faced nerdy man who goes by the name captain kentucky and goes on various adventures alongside a cast of otherwise shrewd characters. Rosa would later use some of these stories as templates for Duck Stories.

However, first and foremost he was a draftsman with no intention of ever becoming a Duck artist. Don Rosas big moment came in the late 1980s when he got the opportunity to draw a single uncle scrooge story for disney. Thinking this would be a one-off moment in his life as a Carl Barks fan and collector, Rose of course lunged at the offer and produced his first comic.

To his astonishment, his comic was very well received. Soon more followed. And then more and more. To the familiar reader, multiple things stand out about Don Rosas Duck comics in comparison to Barks originals.
Number one: His love for detail. Don Rosa refuses to call himself an artist. He refers to himself as a drafts man and uses the drawing tools of his profession. This makes his style a bit more rigid but extremely detailed.
Number two: The seriousness of his stories. There are outright taboo elements in Don Rosas stories, plot aspects that are very unusual for Disney Comics, such as death, themes of abuse, violence, sexuality.

Number three: While Barks self identified with Donald Duck, Rose identifies much more with the figure of Scrooge McDuck. This went so far that Rosa ended up writing a whole comic biography of Scrooge, named "the life and times of scrooge mcduck."

Number one: Intense focus on historic themes. Both share this. Now, as a collector of movies and old comics, we see an abundance of references to old american cinema in Rosas work. This seems to be a generational difference.
Number two. Inclusion of adult themes. As explained earlier, Rosa takes this to an extreme. He even admitted that he structured his tale of the life of scrooge mcduck based on the shakespearian act structure.

Number three: Worth ethic. Both artists have an intense work ethic. Rose in particular continued working long after developing devastating eye issues which obliterated his sight in one eye. As you need both eyes for depth perception, this is usually crippling for an artist (the affected can not even predict when his pen will touch the surface of the paper anymore).

Don Rosa took the Barks legacy, enchanted it with a whooping seasoning of bitter nostalgia, lamentation of the loss of american values and a good deal of other adult themes.

Again I must state, nothing of the like exists for the character of Mickey Mouse, who has been an asshole from the beginning and still is an insufferable prick today. Nobody cares about you Mickey! Fucking hang yourself! And Minnie doesn't love you! She sucked Goofeys dick in the garage and tongue kissed you faggot! Honestly just die, nobody likes you. Scum! TFU!

Unlike that subhuman nobody Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and the associated characters (in particular Scrooge McDuck) continue to have a base of dedicated mature adult fans that identify with the suffering of these tragic heroes and appreciate the artful side of Carl Barks and Don Rosa's works.
I hope I could make you understand why it is not ok to mock Donald like @NekoRightsActivist did .

If you want, buy a copy of "the life and times of scrooge mcduck" and read it. Also, maybe listen to the Tuomas Holopainen album "a lifetime of adventure" while reading. He is a famous metal artist from finland who is also a Donald Duck fan. He recorded one piece of music per chapter of the book, so you can read along nicely. This should kindle your love for Donald and his friends.

Stay shwoogie my frens :feelsok:

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I will quizz u niggas layda he hee :feelsmmm:


Look away, creep!
May 28, 2023
nice copy and paste
i wrote it this fyne mornin in here:

iz not a pase! iz mine! MYNE MYNE MYNE :mad:


May 6, 2023


12 Years A NEET
Aug 5, 2023
Proud owner of a Donald Duck fridge magnet
Luv me Donal Duck simple as!


People die when they are killed
Mar 28, 2023
too long
didn't read
So far there's no one here

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