Serious What do you guys think about Determinism? (srs thread)

[666]

I personally formulated my own thesis about life, its inherent injustice and the total meaningless nature of it a long time ago now. At first, I seriously thought I theorized something new, a total discovery about the nature of life ; turned out, it was already a philosophical belief that pre-existed from the start.

Do free will exist? Such is the purpose of most of Determinism’s philosophy : Everything is affected by factors outside our reach, our environment, our daily encounters, our genetical composition, etc.

Our choices are predetermined because from the start, there was no other possible path : What makes you choose? It’s not you who chooses, but the very paths that led you there, which in the first place weren’t truly in your control.

Now how does this apply for neets, incels, normies, well for everyone? Well, water is wet, but it’s no one’s fault for who they are. If you want to commit absolute “heinous” crimes? Or what if you just wanted a peaceful life with a traditional family structure? Both of these are the same, they do not have the control over their wishes, actions and thoughts. How we fundamentally think was determined from the start. So yes, we are all meat sacks and it’s no one’s fault for who they are.


Tldr : read, it’s not complex at all

 

[n9wiff]

I think everything that will happen, has happened already.

 

[Wockio]

Determinism is invalidated by the existence of living creatures and their underlying mechanisms. Is everything was already predetermined, why would animals need incentives for behavior like emotions and pain?

 

[Amadeus]

Consciousness is not yet fully understood so deterministic viewpoints aren't absolute. There's wiggle room when it comes to emergent properties of higher order brain systems, and quite recently a lot of emerging studies indicate that microtubules in neurons facilitate strangely stable quantum coherence states, which introduces indeterminacy. You could argue that despite quantum properties there is still super-determinism, though, and there have been studies that show that your brain decides on things before you consciously think about them. I do think the world is deterministic, though.

 

[OldAutEP]

Even if determinism is true, we don't know what is determined so it doesn't matter.
I'm just angry I bought the previous generations lies. Stupid me....

 

[Feldweyer]

Who actualizes our potentials? Us or a omnipotent being?
If it is the former, then we do not have absolute free will.
If it is us, then there are multiple actualizers.

 

[xinino]

I think determinism is a valid concept, especially in our modern society, but I adhere to the antihumanist "against humanism of the age of enlightenment," where they refuse any assumption about human nature and see it as changeable, irrational, and impossible to determine. Also, the duelity principle applies to determinism, meaning if there's a determinism in some aspect, it has to have its opposite, for example, mathematical probabilities, especially at quantum levels. Also, Georges bataille emphasizes the importance of sacrifice, sacredness, and irrationality, where he sees that the act of human sacrifice is a testiment of determinism's "concept, which is mostly fellow reason" rejection, and especially against utilitarian determinism.